yeah but its piss easy lay hands on those guns. how about canada where they have enough guns shall we say but people dont go aound killing kids in school. its a case that if you cant play nice you can have those toys kids.
MITO I have a 2 rifles. Finland has loads of guns. The problem goes much deeper than guns. As you say Canadians have lots of guns too, which proves my point. The problem is not guns, it's attitudes and societal. Black on black gun crime is a cultural\societal\economical set of issues where vastly more people get murdered than in all school shootings combined. Using school shootings as a watermark for gun control is moronic when Chicago has the gun murder rate it has. No one wants to have that conversation in the US on the democrat side Ironically this ties into the border wall question, where guns and drugs flow across that border. what use are gun control laws if that border is wide open? Also, what Dems never mention is the rate at which women are raped crossing that border, by Coyotes, that is what they call the gangs shuffling people across that border.
Every one caring guns in the US has given the US Police department to shoot innocent citizens at will- 'kill first before you are killed'.
The policing issue is an interesting one, that has many serious points of contention. The drug war changed policing completely. It turned policing into a war, Baltimore is a good example of that. The blue line of silence is a problem. They can't get rid of bad cops Police Unions - cant get rid of bad cops Recruiting is a problem, they won't hire people with high IQs and are allowed by the supreme court to disqualify people based on high IQs
youve got to fight off reindeer and **** man. 2 rifles is hardly unusual is it. bolt action i presume? your point on societal and my point on canada align. my.point is once you are in the problem the only real way to correct it is to take away the guns and reset the norm. sorry lads you are irresponsible. anyway i am not sure all that many guns come across that border. guns are so cheap in the southern states and easy to get or of course steal that i would.be interested to see how.many people.actually think are imports. on gun crime you need zero tolerance policy and imo someone in Chicago is too soft to get the job done.
It's worse, guns and drugs do come in that way, as there is a large demand for illegal weapons, re Fast and Furious, US Feds put guns out there to be tracked, guns went back across the border and ended up in the hands of cartels I have a .22 and a .270 sako, both scoped. But my point is, even with the .22 that cant even knock over a metal target at 200 yards, it is enough to massacre kids in a school!! The difference is me, the person. Drink driving never gets blamed on cars when a car ploughs into people
if out outlaw guns in a place like the US as it is, then only outlaws will have the guns. That is the reality atm. It's not an easy problem to solve as is, and not as simple as saying OK we are banning guns. I live in a society with lots of guns here, and there is no fear. Nor is it hard to get an illegal gun, heck you just break into someone's home to get one. Culture, that is the problem imo
Re the US, people who like guns as a hobby and sport apart, there is a catch 22 situation. Criminals need guns because they know civilians and police have guns Civilians have guns cos criminals have guns. Police have guns cos everyone has guns. So, as a troubleshooting exercise. You need to remove the criminals guns first, the illegal weapons Then it makes it easier for people to feel they can be safe without guns. Then police might not need to be so heavily armed. right now there is a serious feedback mechanism driven mostly by illegal guns used in gun related crime
These mass shootings are also driving UP gun sales I'd imagine. Every time there is talk of bans, sales spike It's a really tricky problem with no easy solution, banning AR15s is pointless. A semi auto pistol is just as deadly at the ranges the ARs were used in schools. The pistols are easy to conceal too and imo pose more of a danger than rifles you can't conceal in your jacket or coat so easily right now, sadly to say, the US schools need armed guards and need to be searching people, especially people who are not students at that school. As for students, rather than suspending a 4 year old that makes a gun with his hand or eats toast into the shape of a gun (they are doing this ****?!) they need to look out for kids with mental problems.
Nonsense NRA argument If you make the laws sensible enough that things like stocking a hotel room overlooking a concert with tens of guns and hundreds of rounds isn't perfectly legal up to the point at which you open fire then gun crime goes down #nailedon
The availability of automatic weapons in the US is a key factor in mass shootings, to deny that is plain bollocks. Lax gun laws allow loons to gather stockpiles of weapons and when they flip...... Guns per se aren’t the issue full issue though , it’s the way they’re licenced and what’s made available to Joe Bloggs.
If you go now today, and take all of the legally owned guns in the US Who are the ones left with guns? Logic never was your forte mate
Who suggested that is the only course of action? Nonsense straw man arguments always was your specialty
availability is one issue sure. Which shooting used automatic weapons Tobes? they were semi auto weapons. NFA weapons are weapons that are heavily restricted at a federal level by the National Firearms Act of 1934 and the Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986. These include automatic firearms (such as machine guns), short-barreled shotguns, and short-barreled rifles. Some states and localities place additional restrictions on such weapons. You cannot just buy an automatic weapon in the US Also, Gun laws in the United States regulate the sale, possession, and use of firearms and ammunition. State laws (and the laws of Washington, D.C. and the U.S. territories) vary considerably, and are independent of existing federal firearms laws, although they are sometimes broader or more limited in scope than the federal laws. Laws vary state to state on top of federal laws and the fact laws exist doesn't mean the laws are followed, which is criminal activity to not follow the laws.
No one, nor did I, you said it was a NRA argument. Again, logic not your forte I said if you take all legal guns only the illegal ones are left, that is just a logical truth, not an NRA argument
The hotel shooting used weapons modified for full auto. Turned out pointless since semi is 10 times more accurate anyway unless you have loads of training.
Modifying semi automatic weapons is a criminal act. Accuracy is not the question, wandering away from an argument you are losing eh. A semi auto pistol in a school classroom is just as deadly as an AR15. So the debate should be banning all of them
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-43149694 trump endorses guns for teachers. stupidity. how nobody sees that if armed security at a school gates doesn't stop it then any shooter thats not utterly delusional (and they are not imo they are quite lucid most of the time) will simply target the teacher first and then the class. How nobody gets a pistol v an ar15 is no contest. If i were a shooter my no 1 target is the teacher most likely to pull the gun and shoot them first in the surprise element of the attack. It is the most facile of ways to say you can prevent student deaths. Put a gun right in the class room. Surely you'd be arguing for secure doors per classroom that's locked behind students with exit only access per an aircraft pilots cabin rather than adding more bullets to the mix Trumps just jumping on another bandwagon here as he often does.
Automatic conversion or semi automatic off the shelf, same difference, there’s no place for them in the civilian population - absolutely none.
So it's a pointless tautology then, not an argument. The issue is which guns you define as legal and illegal, not that laws can't work.
