If you actually look back through the comments tonight, you'll see I've given Liverpool credit for their performance tonight, on more than one post.
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If you actually look back through the comments tonight, you'll see I've given Liverpool credit for their performance tonight, on more than one post.
You know it's not about tonight, you know it's about your view on Utd and their record in europe and our record in europe as a whole, you are so one club orientated and one eyed in your view it's impossible to have a balanced conversation with you.
just watching the game now as i missed it earlier, strange to say but i quite like that ****ing horrid orange kit
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I don't claim our 05 team was as good as Utd's or any other team of the same era, but I do claim they were as good as Milan on the night and deserved their victory after the biggest fightback ever in the competition in either of its guises, but of course you think we fluked it.
I'm sorry but I do think you fluked it and got very lucky in 05.
I'm not even saying this because of the United/Liverpool rivalry, It is genuinely what I believe.
If we won it in that manner with that bad a side, I'd honestly say the exact same of our team.
It doesn't mean to say I'd be any less pleased or would celebrate it any less.
It's abit like Portugal winning the Euros recently, how lucky did they get?
I'm sorry but I do think you fluked it and got very lucky in 05.
I'm not even saying this because of the United/Liverpool rivalry, It is genuinely what I believe.
If we won it in that manner with that bad a side, I'd honestly say the exact same of our team.
It doesn't mean to say I'd be any less pleased or would celebrate it any less.
It's abit like Portugal winning the Euros recently, how lucky did they get?
See, you're totally biased, it was stated earlier in the thread what it takes to actually reach a CL final, ok, Milan scored 3 times in the first half in 05, they never scored any more in the 2nd half, liverpool score 3 in the 2nd half and it goes to penalties, so tell me, how exactly did we fluke it?
I'm sorry but I do think you fluked it and got very lucky in 05.
I'm not even saying this because of the United/Liverpool rivalry, It is genuinely what I believe.
If we won it in that manner with that bad a side, I'd honestly say the exact same of our team.
It doesn't mean to say I'd be any less pleased or would celebrate it any less.
It's abit like Portugal winning the Euros recently, how lucky did they get?
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I just think you rode your luck right throughout that tournament. The last minute goal that helped you sneak out of your group on goal difference. Then the games against Chelsea where you did ride your luck too. The winner you scored didn't even cross the line. Then the penalty in the final was clearly a dive.
Wether you want to call it flukey or not, there's no doubt you had Lady Luck on your side that year. It happens in football though
I just think you rode your luck right throughout that tournament. The last minute goal that helped you sneak out of your group on goal difference. Then the games against Chelsea where you did ride your luck too. The winner you scored didn't even cross the line. Then the penalty in the final was clearly a dive.
Wether you want to call it flukey or not, there's no doubt you had Lady Luck on your side that year. It happens in football though
"last minute" goals sounds very familiar, lady luck was definitely on Utd's side in 99 and she deffo tripped John Terry up in Moscow to set the winner up on a plate for utd.
If you actually take your bias out of your mind and get real you'll admit that Chelsea winning it in Bayern's back yard was harder than Utd scraping the 99 win.
But I don't expect a reasonable answer.
"last minute" goals sounds very familiar, lady luck was definitely on Utd's side in 99 and she deffo tripped John Terry up in Moscow to set the winner up on a plate for utd.
If you actually take your bias out of your mind and get real you'll admit that Chelsea winning it in Bayern's back yard was harder than Utd scraping the 99 win.
But I don't expect a reasonable answer.
Yeah we did ride our luck in the final in 99, with our 2 best players Keane and Scholes suspended for the final.
But there was nothing flukey about us winning the CL that year, we backed that up by winning the 3 Cups. We dominated Inter and Ronaldo, we then beat a vintage Juventus side fair and square over 2 legs, with Zidane, Del Piero, Inzaghi, Davids and Deschamps in the side.
I don't doubt that what Chelsea did on that one night against Bayern was harder than we did beating them in a neutral ground. But that doesn't mean to say I think that Chelsea side in 12 comes even remotely close to the quality of our side in 99.
Chelsea's teams from 05-09 would be a much fairer comparison, as I think they did have a top class Champions League side then.
I think even Chelsea fans know they rode their luck in 2012. I honestly believe their name was on the trophy that year
But they did deserve that luck having had all the bad luck a few years before. 05-09 Chelsea where very unlucky on more than one occasion
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Yeah we did ride our luck in the final in 99, with our 2 best players Keane and Scholes suspended for the final.
But there was nothing flukey about us winning the CL that year, we backed that up by winning the 3 Cups. We dominated Inter and Ronaldo, we then beat a vintage Juventus side fair and square over 2 legs, with Zidane, Del Piero, Inzaghi, Davids and Deschamps in the side.
I don't doubt that what Chelsea did on that one night against Bayern was harder than we did beating them in a neutral ground. But that doesn't mean to say I think that Chelsea side in 12 comes even remotely close to the quality of our side in 99.
Chelsea's teams from 05-09 would be a much fairer comparison, as I think they did have a top class Champions League side then.
I think even Chelsea fans know they rode their luck in 2012. I honestly believe their name was on the trophy that year
But they did deserve that luck having had all the bad luck a few years before. 05-09 Chelsea where very unlucky on more than one occasion
There's luck involved, there always is but hitting a world class free kick isn't luck, turning over a very good Juve side isn't luck and the Chelsea game was very even over both legs a Chelsea team that you state were much superior to us (I agree) but we matched them over 2 legs it wasn't as if they battered us and we got a lucky goal.
For all your talk it's clear to everyone that you just cannot have a normal conversation regarding Liverpool.
i actually think it might help the atmosphere a bit.
Sure you'll get stadiums that are emptier but hopefully it'll mean that the glory supporters and fairweather fans stay at home and watch it on tv.
EIther clubs will play in emptier stadiums or they will have to drop their prices which means it will be cheaper for the game (and hopefully all that extra incomes means stadium income is even less relevant)
Price has been used as a means of social cleansing in top flight football for years now, if not decades. No chance it’ll suddenly be much cheaper IMO.
You did get a lucky goal against Chelsea though, it didn't even cross the line
It is not clear to everyone, it is only clear to you and your couple of scouse buddies.
But if that counts as everyone to you, doesn't that tell you how narrow minded your views are.
I don't doubt that Liverpool had great sides in the 70s and 80s who dominated domestically and in Europe, and there was no fluke about your success.
But that 05 side where a poor side, who had Lady Luck on their side right throughout that tournament.
If you replayed that tournament again, Liverpool would probably win that once in about 100 times, you just got lucky that that was the 1 time
Doubt it will drop the price. There will still be demand for tickets even if the game is televised as tourists will want to watch games when visiting, prices will probably stay as they are. The clubs want their cake and eat it by getting £££ for TV deals and also the £££ for tickets (although as you say the money made through ticket sales and stuff is basically irrelevant now).
yeah, the tourists will still be arriving in hoards for the big clubs and in the major cities.
I just wonder what it will do for the smaller clubs
You did get a lucky goal against Chelsea though, it didn't even cross the line
It is not clear to everyone, it is only clear to you and your couple of scouse buddies.
But if that counts as everyone to you, doesn't that tell you how narrow minded your views are.
I don't doubt that Liverpool had great sides in the 70s and 80s who dominated domestically and in Europe, and there was no fluke about your success.
But that 05 side where a poor side, who had Lady Luck on their side right throughout that tournament.
If you replayed that tournament again, Liverpool would probably win that once in about 100 times, you just got lucky that that was the 1 time
Every team needs a bit of luck to win a cup competition. You can't be that stupid, surely?
liverpools '05 win was the flukiest of them all.
Even more flukey that Porto '04 and Greeces Euros....
Even more flukey that Porto '04 and Greeces Euros....
You did get a lucky goal against Chelsea though, it didn't even cross the line
It is not clear to everyone, it is only clear to you and your couple of scouse buddies.
But if that counts as everyone to you, doesn't that tell you how narrow minded your views are.
I don't doubt that Liverpool had great sides in the 70s and 80s who dominated domestically and in Europe, and there was no fluke about your success.
But that 05 side where a poor side, who had Lady Luck on their side right throughout that tournament.
If you replayed that tournament again, Liverpool would probably win that once in about 100 times, you just got lucky that that was the 1 time
Ok so go back to the ghost goal then if it isn't allowed then the ref is pulling play back giving a pen and sending the keeper off, we probably score the pen. Is this still luck?