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I think someone made a fair point on the BBC live text last night. If officials are afraid of making mistakes then they could be sending loads of tight offsides to the VAR. We could end up with 10 in a match (or something).

How many tight offsides are there in a standard match for them to even consider sending upstairs? Especially ones that result in goals? Maybe 1-2 at the very most? And most matches will have none.
 
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I think someone made a fair point on the BBC live text last night. If officials are afraid of making mistakes then they could be sending loads of tight offsides to the VAR. We could end up with 10 in a match (or something).

They can only be referred to the VAR if the result in a contentious goal, it's estimated that there'll be no more than one referral every three games.
 
But what about when someone gets played through 1 on 1 onside but very quickly incorrectly ruled offside before they get to score the goal? Do we let an offside run until the phase of play is over and then declare it offside in retrospect? How's it going to work for the multitude of penalties that are corruptly not given against the big sides? If Iheancho had taken a touch first last night would his goal still have stood or wouldnit have been offside and a free kick before there was a goal to decide over?
 
But what about when someone gets played through 1 on 1 onside but very quickly incorrectly ruled offside before they get to score the goal? Do we let an offside run until the phase of play is over and then declare it offside in retrospect? How's it going to work for the multitude of penalties that are corruptly not given against the big sides? If Iheancho had taken a touch first last night would his goal still have stood or wouldnit have been offside and a free kick before there was a goal to decide over?

No. He would've been ruled offside as the VAR isn't allowed to check.
 
No. He would've been ruled offside as the VAR isn't allowed to check.

Then if it can't be diverse it shouldn't be used in that situation. It's got to be all or nothing. I don't see the harm in using it to see if a goal or a penalty that has been awarded have been done so correctly. One thing it definitely should be used for is identifying diving, cheating little rats and the referee should be notified ready to punish the offending player next time the ball goes out of play.
 
Then if it can't be diverse it shouldn't be used in that situation. It's got to be all or nothing. I don't see the harm in using it to see if a goal or a penalty that has been awarded have been done so correctly. One thing it definitely should be used for is identifying diving, cheating little rats and the referee should be notified ready to punish the offending player next time the ball goes out of play.

I think goal line technology is fine and punishing diving cheats but apart from that I'd leave the rest.
 
The ball is in play for 55 minutes in the average game of football, that means all the throw ins, free kicks, goal kicks...etc make up more than a third of the total playing time.

The arguement that the VAR will disrupt the flow of the game is based on the total misconception that football is continuous, it's not, it's full of stoppages, just because the clock ticks over doesn't mean the games flowing.

Even if the VAR takes a couple of minutes I think it's worth it considering the magnitude of the decisions and the time that is wasted elsewhere.
Fascinating...although irrelevant

I disagree with your view on VAR’s worth
 
Alan Nixon’s tweet tonight about the penalty shout suggests the VAR system may not be as good as some think

“The first VAR fail. What was that about?”
 
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Alan Nixon’s tweet tonight about the penalty shout suggests the VAR system may not be as good as some think

“The first VAR fail. What was that about?”
Thought Willian should have had a penalty not a yellow card, Spanish divers got their just deserts.
 
Thought Willian should have had a penalty not a yellow card, Spanish divers got their just deserts.

Just watched it. Agreed, he won that penalty fair and square and was well entitled to go down IMO.

Harsh not to give the penalty, a booking for diving is ridiculous.
 
As giving a yellow card is not on the list of VARable reviews, wasn't the fault with the Ref, who should have actively sent the decision for review as a potential penalty, rather than with the VAR official, who, by the laws of using VAR, wasn't able to overturn the decision unless he was asked?

This isn't a problem with VAR, it is a teething issue with refs getting comfortable using it. To be expected, and certainly not a VAR fail, as if there was no VAR, exactly the same outcome would have been arrived at.
 
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Alan Nixon’s tweet tonight about the penalty shout suggests the VAR system may not be as good as some think

“The first VAR fail. What was that about?”

So you're guessing based on someone's tweet rather than seeing the incident yourself?

FFS, that's why some of us are fed up discussing this with people who are so set in their luddite ways without a shred of compelling argument on their side.