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[ELLERS]

Surely loyalty (not blind, or unthinking) is how a football supporter should be defined? Criticise by all means, but never jack it in. I think you share my view of Redknapp and all the **** that surrounded his tenure. If there are people (which there plainly are) that stuck with the club through that, but would pack up now, they are shallow ****ers in my opinion.

That's a muppet response. Why do you refer to some QPR supporters as 'shallow' because they don't like what is being offered? Plenty of my mates over the years followed QPR like me home and away. Been to enough games and supported the club without muppets telling when i should/shouldn't go.
Whatever anyone thinks of Redcrap, remember he gave us one of the best days out in our history.

 

[Stroller]

That's a muppet response. Why do you refer to some QPR supporters as 'shallow' because they don't like what is being offered? Plenty of my mates over the years followed QPR like me home and away. Been to enough games and supported the club without muppets telling when i should/shouldn't go.
Whatever anyone thinks of Redcrap, remember he gave us one of the best days out in our history.

Savaged by a dead sheep.

 

[sb_73]

I agree with most of that, Stan, but I think you are giving the current jackers a justification that they don't necessarily deserve. It's much better now than it was under Redknapp. Why now?

Cumulative disappointment mate. It’s not necessarily today’s experience but the sum of many years of similar and worse experiences, and no real glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel (indeed, with the new realism, that light is increasingly obscure). Exhaustion. And I have to say, it’s not just the performances and results. Most (not every) of the increasingly rare time I’ve been recently I have been struck by not only the miserable, shameful facilities (I know you share my feelings on this) but also by the air of sullen anxiousness and stress pervading the stadium, loads of people (not everyone) on the edge of fury all the time. Of course the black humour helps, but it’s not very pleasant. Who goes to QPR now expecting us to win, let alone expecting to see some good football? Everybody’s tense before they even arrive. Perhaps it’s more than just the football, it’s the national psyche.

But as I said above, if the STs were much cheaper I’d get one and probably come to about half the games (200 mile round trip for me Goldie).

 

[bobmid]

Got to agree with Ellers. Shallow ****ers is very extreme stroller and unncessary. I'm stopping travelling away for the following reasons, it's becoming too expensive, my son has lost interest and that it's absolutely ****e football. Why would I continue to pay my hard earned money to watch us attempt to play for a draw by smashing the ball top.

 

[ELLERS]

Got to agree with Ellers. Shallow ****ers is very extreme stroller and unncessary. I'm stopping travelling away for the following reasons, it's becoming too expensive, my son has lost interest and that it's absolutely ****e football. Why would I continue to pay my hard earned money to watch us attempt to play for a draw by smashing the ball top.

Don't let that remark bother you bob. He is talking rubbish. stupid comment.

 

[bobmid]

Don't let that remark bother you bob. He is talking rubbish. stupid comment.

With an away record like ours I'm surprised anyone bloody goes anymore

 

[Staines R's]

Surely loyalty (not blind, or unthinking) is how a football supporter should be defined? Criticise by all means, but never jack it in. I think you share my view of Redknapp and all the **** that surrounded his tenure. If there are people (which there plainly are) that stuck with the club through

I’m very interested in loyalty. In theory I don’t believe you should be loyal to something that can’t give you loyalty back. I routinely mock people who go on about ‘company loyalty’ or ‘brand loyalty’ - both things are a transaction, you are getting something in return for something. Same with ideas, I can’t be loyal to something which doesn’t reciprocate and should not be trusted to be relevant tomorrow. People (and dogs) fine.

So I shouldn’t be loyal to QPR, because QPR will never be loyal to me. But I can’t help it. Fortunately that loyalty doesn’t extend to feeling I have to turn up to a fairly miserable experience (except for meeting mates, and I often think, but rarely say, “let’s stay in the pub, it’ll be more fun than the game”) every game. Loyalty to QPR has been a source of pain and frustration more often than not for many years. Not just because we don’t win things, but because the atmosphere, with fleeting exceptions, has been dire. I enjoy live football games where I have only a passing preference for one of the teams much more than watching QPR, even when we win, especially if you can be drinking a reasonably priced decent quality beer at your seat. Increasingly I can’t be bothered with football on TV at all, regardless of who is playing.

People who are jacking it in now are still QPR supporters, they have just had enough of cumulative years of mediocrity at best, and are exercising a difficult choice. What they are seeing now may be slightly better than in the recent past, but it’s still pretty ****. They’ve had enough. They’ll always be QPR supporters though. You’re just prepared to invest a bit more of your time into it than they are. Doesn’t make them shallow.

That is a very thought provoking post .

 

[ELLERS]

With an away record like ours I'm surprised anyone bloody goes anymore

I'm sounding old but back in the day I used to love going to the away games and enjoyed them better than the home ones. I stopped going away when the team didn't play for a win. Fair play to all those that do it week in/out.

 

[ELLERS]

I’m very interested in loyalty. In theory I don’t believe you should be loyal to something that can’t give you loyalty back. I routinely mock people who go on about ‘company loyalty’ or ‘brand loyalty’ - both things are a transaction, you are getting something in return for something. Same with ideas, I can’t be loyal to something which doesn’t reciprocate and should not be trusted to be relevant tomorrow. People (and dogs) fine.

So I shouldn’t be loyal to QPR, because QPR will never be loyal to me. But I can’t help it. Fortunately that loyalty doesn’t extend to feeling I have to turn up to a fairly miserable experience (except for meeting mates, and I often think, but rarely say, “let’s stay in the pub, it’ll be more fun than the game”) every game. Loyalty to QPR has been a source of pain and frustration more often than not for many years. Not just because we don’t win things, but because the atmosphere, with fleeting exceptions, has been dire. I enjoy live football games where I have only a passing preference for one of the teams much more than watching QPR, even when we win, especially if you can be drinking a reasonably priced decent quality beer at your seat. Increasingly I can’t be bothered with football on TV at all, regardless of who is playing.

People who are jacking it in now are still QPR supporters, they have just had enough of cumulative years of mediocrity at best, and are exercising a difficult choice. What they are seeing now may be slightly better than in the recent past, but it’s still pretty ****. They’ve had enough. They’ll always be QPR supporters though. You’re just prepared to invest a bit more of your time into it than they are. Doesn’t make them shallow.

 

[bobmid]

I'm sounding old but back in the day I used to love going to the away games and enjoyed them better than the home ones. I stopped going away when the team didn't play for a win. Fair play to all those that do it week in/out.

Its like anything. If you stop enjoying something then why continue to do it

 

[Staines R's]

Its like anything. If you stop enjoying something then why continue to do it

It’s a bit like cocaine I would think Bob.....it just becomes a habit and you’re always chasing the good times.

 

[bobmid]

It’s a bit like cocaine I would think Bob.....it just becomes a habit and you’re always chasing the good times.

Ha ha ha brilliant

 

[sb_73]

That is a very thought provoking post .

That is the highest compliment I can get. Sincerely. Cheers.

I know you have recently been through voluntary redundancy, as have many (3,000 so far and not all voluntary) in my company (no offer to me, the ****ers) and I am sure it was difficult and scary. I have found it startling how deeply personally many of my colleagues have taken the process, even when they were exercising a choice. With some I have tried, diplomatically (hard to believe I know) to help them understand that the company has no feelings about them, no matter how ‘loyal’ they have been, because a company is not capable of feelings. Don’t waste time feeling hurt about the way you feel you have been treated. Anxiety about the future - totally understandable.

Football clubs have to work terrifically hard to alienate a big chunk of their fan base, precisely because our loyalty is so mindless, loyalty to a collective memory (which is much more about the fans as a tribe than the formality of the club as a limited company). But some still manage it.

 

[Stroller]

Cumulative disappointment mate. It’s not necessarily today’s experience but the sum of many years of similar and worse experiences, and no real glimpse of light at the end of the tunnel (indeed, with the new realism, that light is increasingly obscure). Exhaustion. And I have to say, it’s not just the performances and results. Most (not every) of the increasingly rare time I’ve been recently I have been struck by not only the miserable, shameful facilities (I know you share my feelings on this) but also by the air of sullen anxiousness and stress pervading the stadium, loads of people (not everyone) on the edge of fury all the time. Of course the black humour helps, but it’s not very pleasant. Who goes to QPR now expecting us to win, let alone expecting to see some good football? Everybody’s tense before they even arrive. Perhaps it’s more than just the football, it’s the national psyche.

But as I said above, if the STs were much cheaper I’d get one and probably come to about half the games (200 mile round trip for me Goldie).

I suppose I'm just institutionalised, Stan. I'm a lifer. I couldn't live on the outside.

 

[jeffranger]

The club has been run down since the end of the warnock area, Hughes & Redknapp brought in players that sounded good but only came for money & got us nowhere, benny & jfh where wrong appointments, IH came in & has now got rid of waste of spaces, football wise it’s no better than those previously appointed, me & my mate come out there laughing at what we have just seen or your be crying, lots of times I have thought not renewing but have thought better about it, I’ve also missed games as I couldn’t be bothered going as to the way we’ve been playing & not enjoying watching it, at present we are just a middle of the table club & don’t expect any miracles for the foreseeable future.
As for manager situation I don’t see any long term solution, IH has steadily stabilised the club but performance wise nothingmuch has changed & chopping & changing sides has not worked at all, I fully expect him to be there untill end of season but then the board must take take a good look at themselves I think where do we go from here? Crowds down, fans unhappy, do we get new coaches to improve matters & keep the manager or a complete change!

 

[Staines R's]

That is the highest compliment I can get. Sincerely. Cheers.

I know you have recently been through voluntary redundancy, as have many (3,000 so far and not all voluntary) in my company (no offer to me, the ****ers) and I am sure it was difficult and scary. I have found it startling how deeply personally many of my colleagues have taken the process, even when they were exercising a choice. With some I have tried, diplomatically (hard to believe I know) to help them understand that the company has no feelings about them, no matter how ‘loyal’ they have been, because a company is not capable of feelings. Don’t waste time feeling hurt about the way you feel you have been treated. Anxiety about the future - totally understandable.

Football clubs have to work terrifically hard to alienate a big chunk of their fan base, precisely because our loyalty is so mindless, loyalty to a collective memory (which is much more about the fans as a tribe than the formality of the club as a limited company). But some still manage it.

Again mate, for me personally, a very thought provoking post.
Without going to much into it, my ex company did treat and are still treating their older loyal staff appallingly and my wife and I (57 years of service between us) took a really difficult decision to leave.
We could be bitter but that ain’t gonna get us anywhere.....so we’re looking at it as a new opportunity...life goes on, eh ?

 

[peter1954qpr]

Speaking as a fan who started his support in the 3rd tier of English footbal in the 60's and found themselves back there in the early 2000's and will still be going if we end up back there next season, I'm a QPR fan and will support them regardless

 

[IwasanotherwatfordR]

For me, the football is only a part of my day out and being a qpr supporter. I like the ground (really, I do)so close to the action, I like my fellow R’s, listening to their opinions, having a group moan or combined cheer. Our self deprecating and generally self effacing humour is not matched elsewhere (Cardiff made a good fist of it though). The whole ups and downs bit is part and parcel of the experience. Truly, if all I sought was continuous anodyne success, I could and would support any of the three major premiership London clubs (with barely a home grown player between them) and see more wins than losses. Walking away from qpr, if only for a season or so, just because we are arguably a bit more 5hit lately than we were once or twice in the distant past, to me, is just unthinkable.

 

[Staines R's]

That is the highest compliment I can get. Sincerely. Cheers.

I know you have recently been through voluntary redundancy, as have many (3,000 so far and not all voluntary) in my company (no offer to me, the ****ers) and I am sure it was difficult and scary. I have found it startling how deeply personally many of my colleagues have taken the process, even when they were exercising a choice. With some I have tried, diplomatically (hard to believe I know) to help them understand that the company has no feelings about them, no matter how ‘loyal’ they have been, because a company is not capable of feelings. Don’t waste time feeling hurt about the way you feel you have been treated. Anxiety about the future - totally understandable.

Football clubs have to work terrifically hard to alienate a big chunk of their fan base, precisely because our loyalty is so mindless, loyalty to a collective memory (which is much more about the fans as a tribe than the formality of the club as a limited company). But some still manage it.

The more I read your posts (and others of course) on the concept of ‘loyalty’ the more it gets me thinking....the discussion deserves a thread of its own.

 

[sb_73]

The more I read your posts (and others of course) on the concept of ‘loyalty’ the more it gets me thinking....the discussion deserves a thread of its own.

I think I’ve had the discussion with Ninesy in the flesh. But doubtless we had been drinking. Come to that I have had the vast majority of a reasonably priced but very tasty bottle of red tonight as well.