Because of him we saw David Rocastle and Glyn Hodges in a City shirt. And we had that little Boyack/McGinty-inspired spell at the end of his first season where we looked quite good. These factors just scraped him a '1'. With the emphasis on 'just'.
City's last 10 Managers - ratings
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Because of him we saw David Rocastle and Glyn Hodges in a City shirt. And we had that little Boyack/McGinty-inspired spell at the end of his first season where we looked quite good. These factors just scraped him a '1'. With the emphasis on 'just'.
How can a manager who has managed in the CL and the Euros be 'out of his depth' in the EFL???
This suggests the level of complexity and skill, the sophistication of the opposing managers and team, the sheer quality was of a level he never been exposed to.
But he has worked and prospered at a much higher level than the EFL, so it's disingenuous to say 'he was out of his depth'.
He had no assistants (unlike Marc O'Silver and his 3 helpers) and was not given the funds like O' Silver was.
Instead he was hung out to dry, under resourced and systematically undermined by the owners who sold his best players and left him no time to replace them.
He is still the only City manager to have beaten Benfica. Like Phelan before him, he was sent into battle with a peashooter and a water pistol.
Surely you can see this?
i appreciate that he was first to get us into the top division and briefly and excitingly to the top of it. in the prem, we won 6 of our first 9 games but only 7 of the next 58, and that latter period was like chinese water torture, which i found nothing remotely like amazing.
Yet he still managed a better win rate than Nigel Pearson, despite not being given a penny to spend.
Let's not go there again we had clearly documented on here.he wouldn't spend.
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It's worth remembering just how much Brucie spent then got us relegated - 2014/15 was a complete **** up - he should have been sacked before the January transfer window, his record was almost identical to Phelan's half season with a significantly better squad - having got us relegated, the Allams stopped funding the club - that season more than any other is part of the reason why we're in such a mess now
I enjoyed Bamrbys spell. At the start we played some of the best football I’ve seen us play. Anyone remember Derby away? Obviously it was fairly bad towards the end, but he never got backed at all.
Didn't Bobby Collins win his 1st three games in the BP hot-seat, after that did a Sluty and won jack $hit in 8 or so leading to the tin-tack.
Brown should have been sacked after the Man Ute game for crimes against singing in public.
Slutsky also left by mutual agreement, he admitted he was out of his depth and knew it too. He went back to Russia during the last International break and surprise surprise he's got himself a job at his old club a month later, but not the manager's role.
I'll stick my neck out and guess that his trip home was really for a job interview ?
For me.
1. Phil Brown for achieving the previously unachievable for Hull City.
a close 2, Steve Bruce, two promotions and a Cup Final. Beat that.
3. Nigel Pearson, he moulded the squad for others to reap the rewards then left to do the same at Leicester.
4. Peter Taylor. Couldn't really go wrong at the time ( but many had) Club could only go upwards at that time under Adam Pearson and a new stadium on the horizon. City saved his career, as we did with Bruce, then Taylor saw the bright lights of London and a chance to shine at his old club, Palace, but fluffed the interview and came back with his tail between his legs. Dead man walking from then on.
5. Jan Molby, big headed maybe but he did sign us Stuart Elliott and Ian Ashbee, which made managing Hull City a whole lot easier for those who followed.
6. Marco Silva, organised yes, some incredible home form at the highest level under him, Liverpool 3-1, being the highlight for me. Only the width of the post prevented us beating Man Utd away too, a win which could have kept us in the Premier League. He had every one of his own back room staff and a host of new players but blew it when it really mattered. Unforgivable in my eyes.
7. Nicky Barmby, being a local lad was his best asset and also perhaps his biggest handicap. Surprised he isn't in management or coaching at league level somewhere else.
8. Slutsky, if someone who laughs a lot made a good football manager then Ken Dodd would be the manager of England. We may have beaten Benfica in a friendly and he did see his senior players leave from under his nose but that friendly v Nantes at Craven Park was a benchmark of what was to come, which wasn't good enough.
9. Mike Phelan. To his credit he stepped up to the plate eventually, after holding out and not getting a better contract then Bruce, then we saw why has been a number two all his life. Depleted squad and a dogs dinner of a pre season didn't help the bloke at all but I wasn't sad to see him go at all. He was out of his depth.
10. Dowie, panic appointment following an appalling decision by Adam Pearson.
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Before these. of the one's I have seen....
1, Cliff Britton, three wonderful signings, some great attacking football but he either was not allowed too or didn't know how to strengthen his defence or buy a decent goal keeper. Should have taken us into the First Division with the forward line he had.
2. Brian Horton. Did wonders. Wrongly sacked.
3. John Kaye, Wagstaff's injury and Alf Wood signing didn't help him. Great defence ( unlike Britton) but we couldn't score at the other end. Wrongly sacked when he should have been backed.
4. Colin Appleton, now that was a cheap option which paid off although at the lowest level but was lacking further up the ladder.
5. Warren Joyce. Great season at the bottom of the football ladder, quality lacking but his teams made that up with heart, pride and fight. Wouldn't have taken us any higher though.
6. Parkinson, too young, too modern and too early for him.
7. Dol*n. No thanks, if fans think following City is hard work now they never supported us under Fish and Dol*n. Made a couple of decent signings though and to be fair, in hindsight, the club had the financial clout of North Ferriby at the time.
8. Mike Smith, expensive appointment with his own backroom staff and flopped, another one out of his depth. Signed Tony Norman though which was a bonus. Plus Billy Whitehurst.
9. Ken Houghton. Signed Keith Edwards which was his highlight.
10. Bobby Collins, three games, three wins including 2-0 v Spurs, but he was ex-Leeds and we were in danger of becoming the Elland Road retirement home.
11. Stan Ternant, six good months when he saved us from relegation them he was given cash to spend and nearly bankrupt the club.
12. Eddie Gray. Swopped Norman for Hesford. What more can you say ?
13. Terry Neil, apprentice manager which we became good at. Ruined a good team and he was probably the worst player in it. Blew a real chance of promotion to Div 1 in 70/71 and blew it in the FA Cup from 2-0 up in the 6th rd v Stoke. Then left for better things.
14. Brian Little, good appointment at a bad time for the club, held us together during the lock-out then it seems he didn't match new chairman Pearson's ambition.
15. Wilf McGuiness, see Mike Phelan, almost a replica appointment but at a much lower level.
Finally Mark Hateley. I still have nightmares about that first game as manager at Field Mill when we were two down in the first 10 minutes. We expected so, so much more after all the hype of his appointment and the coming of David Lloyd. Bold appointment at the time and one welcomed with open arms by City fans after the dourness of the Dol*n era, but he turned out to useless. To his credit he always speaks well of City when asked. But manager material ? No way.
these are not necessary in order of achievement.
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Mark Hateley is by far the worst manager City have ever had , fortunately Doncaster were abysmal that season or we could have fallen through the league trapdoor . Think our first game after Hateley was sacked saw his team in theory get beaten at home to 9 man Brighton . That night is to my mind the lowest point in the history of Hull City AFC . Warren Joyce was our new manager and he conjured up the great escape .The man in the Brighton dugout was Brian Horton . 10 years later we were a Premier league team and Brian Horton was Phil Brown's assistant . During his first spell with City Brian moulded a good side that finished 6th one year , A play off spot now , and brought some great players to the club . Browny did great , but what influence did Horton have . I think he assisted Browny really well and would put him above Phil Brown as our best manager based on his first spell and then his role in getting into the premier league . Peter Taylor laid a great foundation after Warren Joyce saved the club when we had become a national joke and looked set for oblivion .
I quite agree but only decided to do the last 10.. My own experience goes back to Brian Horton although I wasn't really clued up at that time on club behind the scenes stuff, transfers etc. just listened to what my Dad told me and RH in the car!
My Grandad spoke very highly of Terry Neil and when he left for Arsenal, Terry got him tickets down dat Lundun, so.. dare I say it on here.. he became an Arsenal supporter! So there were plastics back in the 70s
Pretty good summary Phil, just reading down it had crossed my mind that this debate about Turbo not working for the team, was very much levelled at Keith Edwards from some fans at the time. Just stayed in the box and did nothing else. Sometime players are like that, but you just have to live with it.
Definitely right about Hateley, are what a tosser of a man he was, I used to see him quite often in the Swan in Swanland pissed put of his head. He got dogs abuse from the punters but was so pissed it didn't register.
Can't blame Slutsky for a trip home in the international break, common practice for foreigners in the PL. Working without a meaningful support structure won't have made his life any easier up here either. Perhaps he had take his underpants back to Moscow to get them washed? See my previous comments on this thread about 'out of his depth'.
We're now on our 4th manager in just over a year. Something is wrong at the club and the way it appoints managers.
Good start for Adkins, just like it was for Bobby Collins when we beat Spurs 2-0 in 77. He was sacked 4 months later.
Slutsky may already have had an agreement in place that he could get back to his old club if things didn't work out. He said when he took the job here that his family would only move over if he was still in the job by Christmas. So I think that's the likelier picture.
Slutsky 4
Silva 7
Phelan 5
Bruce 9.5
Barmby 5
Pearson 7.5
Dowie 1
Brown 6
Parkinson 4
Taylor 8.5
Imo ****which is flawed as only saw 2 Slutsky Games and Phil Browns last 5 home games.
Silva 7
Phelan 5
Bruce 9.5
Barmby 5
Pearson 7.5
Dowie 1
Brown 6
Parkinson 4
Taylor 8.5
Imo ****which is flawed as only saw 2 Slutsky Games and Phil Browns last 5 home games.