Off Topic The Politics Thread

[Stroller]

Given that anyone born in Northern Ireland can choose between British nationality, Irish nationality or dual nationality, I’d say they have more choice than most of us already. Good for them, I’m rather jealous.

I don’t expect to see this resolved in my lifetime (unless Brexit goes badly wrong, either politically or economically) but as long as it stays peaceful that’s enough.

I'm jealous too. Based on my surname, I almost certainly have some Irish ancestry, but haven't been able to trace it so far. I feel quite strongly about the case for a united Ireland, though. If Brexit accelerates the process, at least there will be one positive outcome.

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

Are any of the Irish Rs up for an arranged gay marriage? miss my mate Swords at least he dressed like a woman. The handsome devil is worth his weight in gold

 

[sb_73]

A day in and Michael Gove is saying if people don’t like the EU deal they can undo the whole thing at the next General Election. He is of course, speaking to people who think the outline agreement has too much compromise and would prefer a complete break. Obviously, for the Conservatives to provide such an alternative they would need a leader other than the one who negotiated the compromise agreement. Perhaps a leader who, though he has said all the right supportive things while in the cabinet and consistently denied his own ambitions, has also managed to be pretty lukewarm at the same time. Possibly someone like Michael Gove, perhaps.

How stupid and naive of me to momentarily forget that this whole ****ing farce is about the Tory party and stinking personal ambition.

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

A day in and Michael Gove is saying if people don’t like the EU deal they can undo the whole thing at the next General Election. He is of course, speaking to people who think the outline agreement has too much compromise and would prefer a complete break. Obviously, for the Conservatives to provide such an alternative they would need a leader other than the one who negotiated the compromise agreement. Perhaps a leader who, though he has said all the right supportive things while in the cabinet and consistently denied his own ambitions, has also managed to be pretty lukewarm at the same time. Possibly someone like Michael Gove, perhaps.

How stupid and naive of me to momentarily forget that this whole ****ing farce is about the Tory party and stinking personal ambition.

I cannot understand how this bloke believes his own head. He doesn’t realise that him and boris should really face the death penalty. Total stupidity
Micheal Gove has to be the pinnacle of political cnuts of modern times

How anyone can align themselves to him is way beyond the basics of simple education

Not only is he a complete fraud but to also have eaten his own PR and **** it out he now expects to go again. Anyone who listens and takes in what he says needs a square punch right in the face

 

[sb_73]

I cannot understand how this bloke believes his own head. He doesn’t realise that him and boris should really face the death penalty. Total stupidity
Micheal Gove has to be the pinnacle of political cnuts of modern times

How anyone can align themselves to him is way beyond the basics of simple education

Not only is he a complete fraud but to also have eaten his own PR and **** it out he now expects to go again. Anyone who listens and takes in what he says needs a square punch right in the face

That he is allegedly a QPR supporter is a matter of profound embarrassment to me.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

That he is allegedly a QPR supporter is a matter of profound embarrassment to me.

Really? I’d say he has all the characteristics and hallmarks of our team.









Perhaps not.

 

[rangercol]

While I’m not vindictive or naive enough to say that today’s clashes in cities and towns in Israel and Palestine are entirely Trump’s fault, he didn’t make people go on to the streets to protest that was their choice, I wonder if he thinks his little political charade about the location of the US embassy was worth the deaths and injuries it has led to, and whether it has made him ponder the power of the presidency at all.

I doubt it. Genuinely sadly.

Whilst I completely agree with what you say about Trump and I still can't believe such a twat is President, I didn't realise that what he said has actually been USA policy since 1995 and Congress urged him to make the statement.

 

[sb_73]

Whilst I completely agree with what you say about Trump and I still can't believe such a twat is President, I didn't realise that what he said has actually been USA policy since 1995 and Congress urged him to make the statement.

Really? I didn’t know that either, and 1995 would have been Clinton I think. The stupidity and arrogance spans the generations. As does the lobbying and political donation power of Israel (I don’t blame them for this, though the only result of Trumps announcement will be increased security spending and possibly casualties for them).

 

[rangercol]

Really? I didn’t know that either, and 1995 would have been Clinton I think. The stupidity and arrogance spans the generations. As does the lobbying and political donation power of Israel (I don’t blame them for this, though the only result of Trumps announcement will be increased security spending and possibly casualties for them).

An American panellist on Question Time said it. I haven't bothered to check it out, but no one contradicted her.

It's such a complicated issue and I can't imagine it ever getting sorted tbh. Fault on all sides imo.

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

That he is allegedly a QPR supporter is a matter of profound embarrassment to me.

He must be Cols mate ?
Maybe Ellers is Mr Gove ?
Give only supports himself
I am currently too cross as can’t watch the match at the moment so I have started up my chainsaw as I have a couple of trees that will be going to the next life

Anything in my way I will cut
After that I am getting out my shotgun and going hunting for croissants

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

Trump must have a bullet with his name on it

I worked for A company based in Israel and am currently making sure I have no more connections with them via a pension

Horrible lot

 

[rangercol]

He must be Cols mate ?
Maybe Ellers is Mr Gove ?
Give only supports himself
I am currently too cross as can’t watch the match at the moment so I have started up my chainsaw as I have a couple of trees that will be going to the next life

Anything in my way I will cut
After that I am getting out my shotgun and going hunting for croissants

It's extremely flattering that you try your best to mention me in almost every one of your posts. Thanks!

(If I didn't know better, I'd think there was, maybe, just an outside chance that you're on the wind up. No.................surely not).

 

[Staines R's]

Really? I didn’t know that either, and 1995 would have been Clinton I think. The stupidity and arrogance spans the generations. As does the lobbying and political donation power of Israel (I don’t blame them for this, though the only result of Trumps announcement will be increased security spending and possibly casualties for them).

While on the subject of US presidents.....Can I ask your opinion on why people still hold JFK in such reverence (or so it seems) ?
I just finished watching the BBC4 programme on the Vietnam War, and he quite honestly, in my view, came across as a horrible war monger who was at ease with the use of banned defoliants ie agent orange and seemed to have no problem with the killing of innocent non-combatants.
Was the programme just from a ‘lefty’ view and slanted that way ?

 

[Lawrence Jacoby]

It's extremely flattering that you try your best to mention me in almost every one of your posts. Thanks!

(If I didn't know better, I'd think there was, maybe, just an outside chance that you're on the wind up. No.................surely not).

You are a QPR brother first and foremost
Our political views aside I respect you
At the end of the day this day we just want three points and nothing else matters
The match can go both ways
It is what is is we will still be QPR nuts at the end of it I am guessing
That is all we can control x

 

[Sooperhoop]

A day in and Michael Gove is saying if people don’t like the EU deal they can undo the whole thing at the next General Election. He is of course, speaking to people who think the outline agreement has too much compromise and would prefer a complete break. Obviously, for the Conservatives to provide such an alternative they would need a leader other than the one who negotiated the compromise agreement. Perhaps a leader who, though he has said all the right supportive things while in the cabinet and consistently denied his own ambitions, has also managed to be pretty lukewarm at the same time. Possibly someone like Michael Gove, perhaps.

How stupid and naive of me to momentarily forget that this whole ****ing farce is about the Tory party and stinking personal ambition.

Can't ever see Gove as leader, his statement sums up what a total shambles the Tories have been throughout the negotiations. If this is the best deal they could come up with they've been royally shafted by Barnier. God knows how they think they'll get a good trade deal from such a weak position...

 

[sb_73]

While on the subject of US presidents.....Can I ask your opinion on why people still hold JFK in such reverence (or so it seems) ?
I just finished watching the BBC4 programme on the Vietnam War, and he quite honestly, in my view, came across as a horrible war monger who was at ease with the use of banned defoliants ie agent orange and seemed to have no problem with the killing of innocent non-combatants.
Was the programme just from a ‘lefty’ view and slanted that way ?

It was because he was assassinated mate, before the consequences of some of the stuff he did hit home. Plus he was youngish, good looking and had a glamorous wife. I think he did get the ball rolling on civil rights though. On the surface he was an inspiring figure. And a lot of people worked very hard to protect his reputation after he was killed.

There are a few ‘alternative histories’ where he doesn’t die, and he never comes out well in them.

 

[rangercol]

It was because he was assassinated mate, before the consequences of some of the stuff he did hit home. Plus he was youngish, good looking and had a glamorous wife. I think he did get the ball rolling on civil rights though. On the surface he was an inspiring figure. And a lot of people worked very hard to protect his reputation after he was killed.

There are a few ‘alternative histories’ where he doesn’t die, and he never comes out well in them.

Also, he may have had the gorgeous Marilyn Monroe killed (allegedly).

 

[sb_73]

Also, he may have had the gorgeous Marilyn Monroe killed (allegedly).

There’s an entertaining alternative history called Idlewild (which is what JFK airport was originally called) by Mark Lawson, where both Kennedy and Monroe are alive in old age and Kennedy is definitely in disgrace, as far as I can remember.

I don’t indulge in conspiracy theories, but if a Kennedy was involved in Monroe’s death it was more likely to be Bobby, a self righteous uber Catholic scheming little prick.

 

[Uber_Hoop]

I don’t indulge in conspiracy theories, but if a Kennedy was involved in Monroe’s death it was more likely to be Bobby, a self righteous uber Catholic scheming little prick.

If I'd have been JFK then I would have needed a brother like that like I needed a hole in the head.






[I'm not helping much]

 

[durbar2003]

To change the subject, the Bitcoin bubble continues to expand, briefly touched $20k yesterday, before falling back to over $15k, still a massive rise in a few weeks, and a 1,500% rise this year.

Plenty of historical precedent to show where this will end, though this has now surpassed the tulip bulb bubble (seriously) of the 1630s as the biggest ever, just a matter of time before it bursts. I hope it’s soon, some private investors will suffer (some will also get very rich if they get out at the right time) and a lot of dodgy characters will suffer, without too much damage to the real economy. Hackers are apparently ‘stealing’ these fantasy chunks of value all the time, as I took great joy in pointing out to an expensive and very stupid management consultant I had the misfortune to be working with yesterday who got very moist about using the ‘block chain’ technology on which Bitcoin is built in health care.

No sympathy from me, greed never learns.

Bitcoin to start trading December 18th on the CME futures exchange.