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  1. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    Silva would be great capture for Everton. He is young, astute and importantly knows how to make good use of the skills available in the squad.

    All this business of loyalty from the manager is just poppycock. Like the first few months on the season have shown, the clubs owners have no qualms in sacking their managers at the drop of a hat. A run of defeats or dropping into the relegation zone and their fates are sealed. yet when a bigger club comes along with a bigger budget, higher profile and higher wages, the club expects their manager to stay put?
     
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  2. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Yes but 12 games in though ???? I wouldn't want to be a fan of any club signing him if that's his level of integrity regardless of what Watford have been doing with sacking managers,
     
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  3. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Koeman and other managers have been pushed out by clubs after short starts to the seasons.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    There's a big difference between being sacked for non-performance and simply walking away. Silva's walked away from his last two jobs and if he does become your next manager make that his last three.

    Wasn't lack of commitment to what the club's all about a complaint against Koeman? Expect the same with Silva. How about he walks away from you after 12 games?
     
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  5. carlthejackal

    carlthejackal Well-Known Member

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    Surely loyalty and integrity have to work both ways. Do you think that Watford would have any hesitation in dismissing him if they feel the club was at risk of relegation? I dont think they'll be waiting till the end of the contract.
     
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  6. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Players also push for moves, this is however restricted to certain times. Should manager be ‘transfered’ Only during similar times??
     
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  7. BobbyD

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    Silva hasn't ditched a club midway through the season before.


    To be fair clubs are sacking managers after a few games in the season. FDB 4 league games. Even you guys only gave Hodgson 20 games. As for Watford, they knew the gig when they only gave him a 1 year contract.
     
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  8. Tobes

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    Exactly. They've had 9 managers in 6 years, and Silvas contract has a break clause for them after season 1.

    They've treated numerous managers like dirt, if one gives them the taste of how it feels from the other side, then tough luck.
     
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  9. RogerisontheHunt

    RogerisontheHunt Well-Known Member

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    It'd be an interesting experiment.

    Would De Boer have got his message across to Palace by now?
    Would Koeman have managed to fix the problems given a couple of weeks more?
    Would clubs have been relegated had they been force to stick with a manager?
    and on and on and on
     
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  10. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    TBH I am largely impressed by him. I thought he was a better defensive coach than he has so far showed at watford. I am slightly confused as to how thats occurred. It could be down to playing staff. I don't know. His home record right up to the time at hull was amazing

    The question has to be, I have seen hi in the short term make an impact at bother watford and hull. A big impact. What does he do over the longer term? If he stays at watford would we see this defensive issue get resolved and the team push on more?

    Only time will tell.

    I agree on loyalty. average premier manager period in charge is 1 to 1.2 years... as in one season and a little sliver. It's amazing how any club thinks this is sustainable but it seems they all get up to it.

    I agree one run of results and its like a manager is written off and their authority is completely eroded.
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    IMO:

    1. bad error by palace.
    2. Koeman had authority. I think the issue ran deeper than him and walsh and moshiri need to sort themselves out. Who's running transfers and the team.
    3. would they.... in some cases yes.
    4. would there be specialist fixer type managers like allaryce and pulis if they suddenly found they couldn't join a club midseason? i don't think so.
     
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  12. johnsonsbaby

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    Of course it goes both ways but Everton aren't looking to sign the Watford board just their manager, so in this case the only relevant thing is his integrity and not Watford's. Personally I wouldn't want a manager who keeps walking away from clubs in very quick succession because the next club he signs for can expect the same and Everton deserve more than that <ok>
     
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  13. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Well now.. he only signed 6 months a hull and was within his rights. He's not approached Everton. Everyone have approached Watford.

    If Watford say no and stick to it and he does something then you can talk about walking away.
     
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    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    If Everton want him, he does well then wants to walk the club can’t complain if a bigger fish comes for him.
     
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    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    so who's next after everton then? barca? koeman thought so :bandit:
     
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  16. LuisDiazgamechanger

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    Tony Pulis is sacked .
     
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  17. carlthejackal

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    It should also be what was agreed at the time of the appointment. If for example when Silva was appointed the watford board told him that he would appointed on a long term basis, he would be given time to build his own team and squad, that he would be given that budget etc, then I can see that he has fewer reasons for walking away and the board should have fewer excuses to sack him if he goes on a bad run.

    But we all know that the clubs owners are now so fearful of relegation that they will pull the trigger sooner rahther than later. Especially when hundreds of millions are at stake.

    Wouldn't be ironic if Silva turned down the Everton offer and then have a run of four consecutive defeats in the New year and gets sacked? Make no mistake all the "loyalty" and the previous offers would be forgotten in an instant as fear grips the owners. If Ranieri can be dismissed after pulling off a miracle and giving Leicester the greatest prize in their history, then no one is unsackable.
     
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  18. Peej

    Peej Fabio Borini Lover

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    Yeah! I did say if that was his plan he better win some stuff with us.
     
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  19. johnsonsbaby

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    I can talk about walking away now because he's already done it twice :p
    I know you didn't invent it, clubs have done it and will continue to do it but don't you think there's something not very classy about approaching a manager who not only already has a job, it's mid-season and he's only been there for a handful of games? That's not very 'Everton' or it didn't used to be. It's bad all round and starting a culture that I don't want creeping in.
     
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    From Everton already? <yikes>

    #thatwentwell
     
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