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Archers Road said:
Totally agree. I can't excuse Iraq, but it's a shame that's all Blair will be remembered for. I think he started out with good intewntions, but got corrupted by power - like so many before him.
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I think he got caught up with the whole WMD thing and didn't listen to his advisers or the ballistics experts. Who were telling him that there were no WMD's. There was the whole 'sexed up' dossier which was clearly compiled by hawks who wanted regime change, which I think Blair wanted too, as he probably thought that getting rid of Saddam Hussien was a good thing (he was a brutal dictator). Then as mentioned, he'd handcuffed himself to Bush by giving him an assurance that 'come what may, the UK will back the US in Iraq'. He basically snookered himself and then couldn't back down.

In hindsight, a massive mistake with horrendous consequences that has made the middle east far more volatile that it ever was (in recent history anyway) But on the domestic front, Blair actually did a good job as PM.
 
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Ginger Marks said:
Blair has a delusional sense of self brilliance and saw himself as the natural leader of the federalist Europe. A total liar as the Chilcot report supported but we all know it was tampered with. He is also a tax evading fraud to boot.
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Also agree with this too <ok>
 
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PISKIE said:
...... But on the domestic front, Blair actually did a good job as PM.
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Did he? I don't give him the benefit of doubt on that either mate.

Mandelson was quite arrogant in his admission that Labour opened the floodgates on immigration on the basis that most of them would be labour voters with no thought to local economic consequences and other problems like unbudgeted pressure on the NHS, Education and Social Care.
 
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Archers Road said:
Why do you hate Blair so much? Serious question, though I expect you'll just say "war criminal".

The level of hatred you, and quite a lot of other people, have for him can't all be down to Iraq. After all, Cameron intervened in Libya, and succesive British PMs kept us embroiled in Northern Ireland for years. Yet you don't seem to hate any of them (or perhaps you do?).
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I agree with your comments, however, i do make an exception for Blair, especially as Saddam stood trial for his crimes against humanity, and he was ultimately punished by death on his return. There was no condemnation of that death (maybe rightly so) but should we think ourselves above the rest of the world, and our own leaders decision (along with others) result in more deaths over the duration than Saddam massacred or tortured. I believe Blair should have been held to account for his part to. Then he pops his head up in an anti brexit speech, i find it all very concerning but hasten to add that the EU has nothing to do with me branding him a criminal.
 
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Blair is/was a slippery ****er. Second best political salesman I’ve ever seen.

Master of distraction too. Health service turning to ****? People starting to complain? Papers printing unflattering stories and stats?

Answer: distraction! Distraction with something everybody has an opinion on, but in the grand scheme is pretty inconsequential. Fox hunting being a classic example of how he did that.
 
Burly Hurley said:
Did he? I don't give him the benefit of doubt on that either mate.

Mandelson was quite arrogant in his admission that Labour opened the floodgates on immigration on the basis that most of them would be labour voters with no thought to local economic consequences and other problems like unbudgeted pressure on the NHS, Education and Social Care.
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The pressure on NHS, education and Social care comes from years of underfunding not from pressure from immigrants.
 
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PISKIE said:
The pressure on NHS, education and Social care comes from years of underfunding not from pressure from immigrants.
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It's a major factor Piskie.

In many areas of the South East and Midlands the population growth has exceeded demographic growth allocations to CCGs and Local Authorities.
 
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Burly Hurley said:
It's a major factor Piskie.

In many areas of the South East and Midlands the population growth has exceeded demographic growth allocations to CCGs and Local Authorities.
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That highlights the point I’m making. It is due to underfunding, not immigration.

The pressure on the NHS is down more to an ageing and increasing population (we live longer with more medical issues) and the increased costs associated with providing that care (medications, medical procedures and new technologies)

The funding hasn’t kept pace to match this.
 
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I'd tie in the "HIAG/PIXIE law" with a
"three strikes and you're out" for the rest of
the season on the PL board.
 
Burly Hurley said:
It's a major factor Piskie.

In many areas of the South East and Midlands the population growth has exceeded demographic growth allocations to CCGs and Local Authorities.
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It really isn't. Quite apart from the fact the NHS would collapse without all the immigrants employed by it, the contribution immigrants make to the exchequer when working and paying tax means they are, for the most part, anything but a drain on the nation's resources.
 
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Archers Road said:
It really isn't. Quite apart from the fact the NHS would collapse without all the immigrants employed by it, the contribution immigrants make to the exchequer when working and paying tax means they are, for the most part, anything but a drain on the nation's resources.
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The NHS would fail my "war" test
(in addition to already failing my "morality" test) .
 
Archers Road said:
It really isn't. Quite apart from the fact the NHS would collapse without all the immigrants employed by it, the contribution immigrants make to the exchequer when working and paying tax means they are, for the most part, anything but a drain on the nation's resources.
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This <ok>

Not only do immigrants prop up the NHS (and large parts of our public sector services and food production etc) They pay into the Exchequer and therefore pay for their contribution towards healthcare.

As mentioned, the issue for the NHS is successive Govt's underfundiing the organisation because they are too **** scared to either (1) raise taxes (2) recoup the tax owned by wealthy individuals and corporations. We have an ageing and ever growing population that lives longer with more medical issues, which in turn puts more pressure on the NHS. Also the actual cost of delivering the service has grown exponentially.



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