The latest **** thread

I think he got caught up with the whole WMD thing and didn't listen to his advisers or the ballistics experts. Who were telling him that there were no WMD's. There was the whole 'sexed up' dossier which was clearly compiled by hawks who wanted regime change, which I think Blair wanted too, as he probably thought that getting rid of Saddam Hussien was a good thing (he was a brutal dictator). Then as mentioned, he'd handcuffed himself to Bush by giving him an assurance that 'come what may, the UK will back the US in Iraq'. He basically snookered himself and then couldn't back down.

In hindsight, a massive mistake with horrendous consequences that has made the middle east far more volatile that it ever was (in recent history anyway) But on the domestic front, Blair actually did a good job as PM.

 

Also agree with this too

 

Did he? I don't give him the benefit of doubt on that either mate.

Mandelson was quite arrogant in his admission that Labour opened the floodgates on immigration on the basis that most of them would be labour voters with no thought to local economic consequences and other problems like unbudgeted pressure on the NHS, Education and Social Care.

 

I agree with your comments, however, i do make an exception for Blair, especially as Saddam stood trial for his crimes against humanity, and he was ultimately punished by death on his return. There was no condemnation of that death (maybe rightly so) but should we think ourselves above the rest of the world, and our own leaders decision (along with others) result in more deaths over the duration than Saddam massacred or tortured. I believe Blair should have been held to account for his part to. Then he pops his head up in an anti brexit speech, i find it all very concerning but hasten to add that the EU has nothing to do with me branding him a criminal.

 

So a politician then?

 

Blair is/was a slippery ****er. Second best political salesman I’ve ever seen.

Master of distraction too. Health service turning to ****? People starting to complain? Papers printing unflattering stories and stats?

Answer: distraction! Distraction with something everybody has an opinion on, but in the grand scheme is pretty inconsequential. Fox hunting being a classic example of how he did that.

 

The pressure on NHS, education and Social care comes from years of underfunding not from pressure from immigrants.

 

It's a major factor Piskie.

In many areas of the South East and Midlands the population growth has exceeded demographic growth allocations to CCGs and Local Authorities.

 

That highlights the point I’m making. It is due to underfunding, not immigration.

The pressure on the NHS is down more to an ageing and increasing population (we live longer with more medical issues) and the increased costs associated with providing that care (medications, medical procedures and new technologies)

The funding hasn’t kept pace to match this.

 

I'd tie in the "HIAG/PIXIE law" with a
"three strikes and you're out" for the rest of
the season on the PL board.

 

What the **** are you blathering on about ?

 

Rattled that brb could actually adopt the proposal.

 

It really isn't. Quite apart from the fact the NHS would collapse without all the immigrants employed by it, the contribution immigrants make to the exchequer when working and paying tax means they are, for the most part, anything but a drain on the nation's resources.

 

The NHS would fail my "war" test
(in addition to already failing my "morality" test) .

 

Again, what the **** are you blathering on about ?

 

This

Not only do immigrants prop up the NHS (and large parts of our public sector services and food production etc) They pay into the Exchequer and therefore pay for their contribution towards healthcare.

As mentioned, the issue for the NHS is successive Govt's underfundiing the organisation because they are too **** scared to either (1) raise taxes (2) recoup the tax owned by wealthy individuals and corporations. We have an ageing and ever growing population that lives longer with more medical issues, which in turn puts more pressure on the NHS. Also the actual cost of delivering the service has grown exponentially.

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Doing Turkey this Christmas, concerned it will be dry.

 

Put some lube up its arse before you **** it

 

Filth.

 

Is this the Politics thread? No it's not so how about you **** off on there with this ****.