Effect of Brexit

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Listening to Leo Varadkar after his meeting with TM today you start to get a sense of the way that things are moving. Talking about Ireland he was saying that some form of single market and customs union arrangement could be the way forward. Business leaders have been telling the government that to leave these two arrangements would lead to the cliff edge. The Labour party is talking about similar arrangements I think, and at least half the cabinet seem to be of the same opinion. TM was asking for something like that in her Florence speech, and take note she placed no time limit on it. This has nothing to do with the EU being awkward, but the reality of the desperate situation the UK government has talked itself into.
 
Toby said:
We chose to leave, they didn't push us. Why should we get what we want at their detriment?

The dream team of Liam Fox and David Davis are facing real negociators, and are failing badly. We need them more than they need us.

It's finally starting to look like we won't leave or will at least have a 2nd referendum. I'm quietly confident that this time, now that all the lies have been exposed, the result will be very different. I honestly think we'd get a 70-30 split in favour of staying, especially once the cost of living increases as much as it's predicted to.
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I think that people are starting to realise that the idea that we were a 'victim of the EU' was the big lie which lay behind all others - it is gradually dawning on many that we were beneficiaries of it. That in fact even the city of London would not be the financial hub it has become without the EU.
 
superhorns said:
To many people the exchange rate is immaterial, gin & tonics still on order. :emoticon-0100-smile
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Brexit in a nutshell that......

The financially cushioned or completely disengaged, not giving a monkeys about the economic repercussions of us cutting ties with our closest 27 markets.....
 
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yorkshirehornet said:
Thanks for sharing your views. Can I ask you why you are against the EU Court of Justice?
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You are welcome. I have been following this debate on and off and generally preferred not to get involved, but I just got frustrated.

I have nothing against the Court of Justice other than it should have no juristriction in the UK once we leave.
 
Scullion said:
Like 52% of the population I voted to leave expecting it to be 2 years after article 50 was triggered. It strikes me that the EU will continue to prevaricate until they get what they want and we give in.
In 2 years we should leave, whatever the state of the negotiations and get on with life as Boris envisaged in his excellent article in the DT. I have no problem paying the EU what they are owed (if in fact they know and can provide the evidence - they have great difficulty in getting their accounts signed off by their auditors, which says a lot in my view). The EU court of justice needs to be told to take a hike.
I actually wonder if Mrs May's speech was actually designed to get these Eurocrats negotiating properly and now if they fail to do so the the UK can say if you are still willing to play ball then we will just walk.
I am depressed that we might face another 2+ years of euroism.
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I'm not being picky but you have mis-represented things somewhat.
First 37% of the registered voting population voted 'Leave' not 52%.
Second , the registered voting population is 46 million. The actual population is 64 million. Irrespective of their eligibility (age etc) your assumption that 52% of the population voted to leave is profoundly wrong.
It is now accepted in poll after poll that the actual number of remain. Iteds exceeds the. Under of leave voters-but we don't have that as a fact.
Third . The EU doesn't have to agree to anything. The UK caused all this hassle, not them. So far the EU have been specific precise and unequivocal-as they can easily do, because they have this position by doing nothing. The UK has been vague imprecise and vacillatory because that is all we have got to offer. Our own negotiators are stuck with decision makers riven by dissent and indecision. The EU could hardly have made things plainer.
The UK had suggested a transition- not the EU. Why? The UK has no idea what the outcome might be.

I could go on, but that will do.
 
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I think that the government already know that they will have to create a deal no matter what. Where are the plans to buy up land at all the ports, or the adverts for the thousands of new civil servants they will have to employ? Oliver Letwin who had been looking into these matters when in government suggested this weekend that these plans were not in place and if we were to leave in 2019 we would not be ready.
 
J T Bodbo said:
I'm not being picky but you have mis-represented things somewhat.
First 37% of the registered voting population voted 'Leave' not 52%.
Second , the registered voting population is 46 million. The actual population is 64 million. Irrespective of their eligibility (age etc) your assumption that 52% of the population voted to leave is profoundly wrong.
It is now accepted in poll after poll that the actual number of remain. Iteds exceeds the. Under of leave voters-but we don't have that as a fact.
Third . The EU doesn't have to agree to anything. The UK caused all this hassle, not them. So far the EU have been specific precise and unequivocal-as they can easily do, because they have this position by doing nothing. The UK has been vague imprecise and vacillatory because that is all we have got to offer. Our own negotiators are stuck with decision makers riven by dissent and indecision. The EU could hardly have made things plainer.
The UK had suggested a transition- not the EU. Why? The UK has no idea what the outcome might be.

I could go on, but that will do.
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Desperate stuff to try to include those that did not vote in the referendum to include them in the remain camp. There was a clear majority in those that bothered to vote for leave the EU, that is why we are leaving.

The EU have set terms with the intention of humiliating the UK, I hope it backfires and we tell them to get stuffed.
 
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