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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. sb_73

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    Meanwhile, sadly, a female labour councillor from Manchester, who happens to be of Pakistani origin, has been deselected from her seat after she spoke out in support of Sarah Champion and against the local Labour practice of holding sex segregated meetings. Many of the local party members are Muslim Pakistani men.
     
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  2. TheBigDipper

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    The current government is still the one talking to the EU27. Let's see if Labour can drag enough MPs votes from elsewhere to change that.

    Watch the media meltdown and fury once the oligarchs and the "true elites" decide how the people are supposed to think about this. We could reach new heights of hyperbole...

    Never forget it's easier to fool someone than it is to get them to admit they've been fooled. (And I appreciate that could apply to me, too).
     
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    If that's true, it's plainly wrong.
     
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    Observer claim it is signed off by them and the whole Shadow Cabinet. Possibly then there is a majority in the Commons in favour staying in both the Single Market and Customs Union in a Transitional period, and beyond.
     
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    Perhaps we should vote Labour in on a narrow margin etc. :)
     
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    Yes, it's going to make life very difficult for the Government, and that's what Her Majesty's Opposition should be doing, after all.
     
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    oh god, comrade Corbyn is jumping on another band wagon. <doh>
     
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    The anti-Onuoha bandwagon?
     
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    That's actually people escaping the Upper Loft after the fourth Brentford goal.
     
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    She has. Your hate filled attitude is precisely why getting the hell out of the vindictive EU is such a good idea.
     
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    Interesting story about the young (5 I think) white girl fostered into a Muslim family in east London. Sounds like a hard line Muslim family who have tried to indoctrinate her. Clearly wrong and how they were ever assessed as appropriate for fostering is beyond me.

    Also of interest is the media's insistence on describing the child as a 'christian' girl. Really, aged five, you are able to make decisions about religion? What kind of Christian? Indoctrination from another direction. Apparently her parents call themselves Christian, but I didn't realise 'faith' is hereditary.
     
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    Assume that since, under the law, a child does not have a separate legal identity and is represented by its parents as guardians, the child takes on the religion of its parents until it is 18 and can legally make a decision of its own.

    The problem for me is not that the foster parents were Muslim. Some moderate Muslims would do a reasonable job, just as some moderate Christians would do the same for a Muslim child. The problem here was 1. The foster parents only spoke Arabic and wanted the child to do the same 2. The Muslim foster parents were extremists - Wahhabists (which is becoming the dominant Muslim sect in the UK due to pc liberalism). The women wore hoods and masks, took a crucifix from the child's neck, told the child European women were worthless drunks, and would not allow it to eat bacon.

    Extremely worrying. Tower Hamlets Council is not fit for purpose.
     
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    Just heard someone on the wireless say that fostering guidelines state that placements had to properly meet the child's needs, including religious needs. How does a five year-old (or anyone for that matter) have religious 'needs'? The obligation ought to be to protect the child from religious indoctrination (which plainly hasn't happened here) rather than to meet a non-existent need. We really must get away from defining children by their parents' bullshit religion.
     
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    Your first paragraph is extremely worrying, I'll need to check that out. I would class indoctrination into a religion (or political ideology, or new age bullshit or whatever) as abuse.

    Glad to see us liberals are the ones to blame for everything again. I would not be happy with any child being fostered by anyone with strong religious beliefs, whatever the religion. All those nominal Christians etc fine.
     
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    Don't take the reference to pc liberalism personally, Stan. I'll amend it to pc-extreme liberalism. The spread of theocratic Wahhabism is a danger in this country to all the rest of us, including moderate muslims who want to live in a Britain with open, liberal values
     
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    It's got nothing to do with liberalism, Goldie. I'm a liberal (although not a Liberal) and I also see Wahhabists as being a problem that needs sorting out. I don't blame liberalism for the problem - I blame officialdom that never wants to deal with the hard issues if there's a get-out clause they can use to avoid being held responsible. So should you. It's about lack of action, not ideology.

    I lived in Tower Hamlets between 1987 and 2013. Both education and social services are run at a local council level, and it really does need looking into. It's lost focus on who it should be working for. Mind you, so has Kensington & Chelsea.
     
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    There's nothing wrong with being a liberal, BD. And not all political correctness is wrong - there was a need for it coming out of the 1970's, when some vile racist jokes were rife and did nothing for harmony in society - and a woman's place was portrayed as being solely in the kitchen!

    But pc has become pc extreme. And extreme liberalism is damaging. French people coming to this country are amazed that women are walking around with face masks and hoods. Wahhabism in the UK coming from Saudi Arabia is on the increase. Children of Muslim families are seen to be more extreme than their parents. Liberals need to take care that they do not defend those that attack the very tolerance this country is known for. We must all be intolerant of intolerance. In my view, the first step would be to ban the wearing of face masks in public as France has done successfully.

    Agree about K & C.
     
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