I can't believe anybody would think this has anything at all to do with money
Have Radio Humberside done one?
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Yes, heard that. The club are sending Deano and Bryan Hughes instead. Obviously Deano has gone native.
doubt it's anything to do with money at all they don't like what Humberside have been saying
sounds like he has gone native . Humberside and burnsy on the allams naughty step
Lincoln Tiger
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Hi Fez, I am not sure if you are being ironic or sarcastic here and so happy to be wooshed if so, but there are assumptions made here that are not quite right.
Firstly, Burnsy and Swanny do the 'two lads at a game' schtick, although the build up/prep and after match stuff is on a shoestring budget actually well done and journalistically sound and professional. Their style clearly doesn't suit some on here and even I get a little bored with it, but in the main, listeners do like it. The BBC's own audience research suggests this, otherwise they would have changed it. A purely technical commentary might suit a lot on here - and I get that - but it would lose audience massively. People would switch off. I hate Alan Green as a commentator but I know exactly why he's there. Chazz has a very good point about Burnsy's 'relegation rant' and I am not here to defend Burnsy - he's big and daft enough to do that for himself, however, he went easy on the Allam's at the start of it all out of due respect, and once they decided he'd asked one to many questions that they felt uncomfortable with i.e. name change and the council stuff, they essentially shut up shop. His comments were in retrospect daft, but came out of frustration I would suggest.
Secondly, DAB doesn't offer more opportunity to listen. The take up of DAB in this region still lags some way behind FM listening. If it was the other way, City's games would have all been on DAB and not FM. Until there is an analogue switch off (and the only planned switch off was abandoned) the crossover will be gradual. Also, Viking's general target audience is very different to BBC RH's. The listeners to Viking are much younger, generally (aside from sport) Radio Humberside's listeners are much older and lean towards FM for their listening. It will change in time of course, but it is no where near as yet. Finally, on that point: BBC RH has to rent space on the DAB multiplex, this is much cheaper for Viking as the muiltiplexes are commercially owned.
Finally, Viking FM are not in anyway seen as community media or far that matter even local. They are part of the Bauer Group (formerly EMAP) and they gave up the pretence of being Independent Local Radio (ILR) a long, long time ago - they even include syndicated programmes and news at times. There is very little that is local about them. This is not a criticism of what they do - it is just the way it is. It adds to the plurality of the media, but operationally it is based on a US model of delivering audiences to advertisers at a minimum cost. I took your point but in actual fact they don't tick the community box in that sense.
So, I wouldn't say Allam has played us, except to say (as I have elsewhere) that whoever controls the media controls the message and this in my view is Ehab's real intent. For what it is worth, and just my opinion, it won't end well with Ehab and Viking. They are most likely to pull out if he overplays his hand.
Don't know much about Viking, guessing it's your run of the mill local independent along the same line as we have over here with Silk FM & Signal.
If their philosophy & principles are in line with those that the Allam's project for the club then they too must be ignorant, lying, immoral ****s with no regard for their customers, children, OAPs, disabled people or any others. A philosophy in which it is normal to threaten & carry out aggressive actions towards anybody who has the audacity to either disagree with, or question, their motives or decisions.
The only positive for this is that it gives an outlet in which disruptive protest could most certainly make a difference.
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Excellent post
I liked Humberside and think Burnsy got some very unfair criticism on here. Be careful what you wish for. As it'll be no doubt ****ing rubbish with Viking.
I listened to Luxembourg and Caroline and have, over a number of decades, become advert averse; marketing now us a whole different beast nowadays. I think you should allow that likes and dislikes evolve for some people.
A few questions about Viking, they seem to have 3 channels, which is going to be sport? Do they cover Rugby League and Ferriby, Grimsby & Scunthorpe?
Lincoln Tiger
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Although the BBC didn't make any money from that, the government did. The BBC didn't learn the lesson of WWII, when initially troops were listening to German stations because they looked inwards and not towards Home and Hearth, the government forced them to create the Forces Programme (which became the Light Programme), that young war time audience grew old with the BBC LP and the pirates filled a gap. The government AGAIN forced the BBC to create a pop alternative. Your argument cuts both ways though. I'm not getting into a political discussion here because this is fact and not opinion. In the 60s, many Tory MPs surreptitiously supported the pirates as a way to force through the introduction of commercial radio (and many in the Labour party resisted it). Ironically, it was one of their own - Lord Pilkington who handed the local radio to the BBC (when expected to create Commercial Radio) and essentially CR had to wait another 9 years. When the urban based pirates emerged in the late 70s and early 80s, the Tories were dead against it and many in the Labour Party surreptitiously supported it!
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Lincoln Tiger
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I never said, or think, it is a better commercial decision; it is simply a commercial decision he is entitled to make How good a change it becomes is a subjective point and not something that should inspire a rant about his evil intentions - there is plenty to criticise him for without making daft ****e up; it diminishes the valid points.
Viking 2 is what used to be Magic FM, they have local news on the hour and local advertising, but most of the rest of the output is delivered centrally and the content isn't created in Hull. It's certainly not a community/local radio station.
There is only one reason behind this decision, Ehab's got the hump with Burnsy, there's nothing commercial about it.
Hull Kingston Radio is worth checking out, riddled with proper City fans like Pete Mills.
Lincoln Tiger
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Taking that from my post (and what I know your knowledge of my anti-Allam sentiment is) is simply ridiculous.
I haven't given his commercial decision credibility at all, I have simply pointed out it is his right to do so.
I used the word opportunity quite deliberately in reference to DAB use. There is the opportunity for lost listeners (you are making a prediction, which is fair enough, if you wish to do that), and for the same take up, just as there is the opportunity for increased listening over a wider geographical area.
There might be a petty and childish element to the decision, but it is adequately offset by the commercial aspects - whether you like that or not.
To suggest that I 'underestimate how petty and childish they are' really made me laugh out loud. As usual, your post couldn't be further off the mark if you tried.
Its very simple. Burnsy, most of the time was saying exactly what the fans were saying and we know what Ehab thinks of the fans. This is why he had to shut him up.
He hasn't said it is always black and white, simply that it does happen elsewhere. For it to be compared with the actions of despot regimes is ludicrous and unhelpful in achieving a balanced and credible argument against the ownership style of the Allams.