How mature is referring to me as a kid putting his fingers in his ears and yelling "la, la, la I can't hear you!!".? And then I get attacked for blaming the proles on another post. I'm going to give this thread a break, and let all you dissatisfied Remainers have a ****ing good whinge at the disatifaction with your lives. May I suggest Strolls changes the Politics title to the "Remainers having a ****ing good whinge and blaming everything on Brexit" thread.
Or "Leavers having a good old whinge about how Brexit has zero effect, and how dare some people have a different opinion, and that an incredibly poor collective decision based on half-truths, lies and ignorance of the consequences ought not to be blindly followed without some level of scrutiny along the way..."
Aw, don't flounce off Goldie. Fair cop on the 'kid with fingers' stuff, I apologise for that. I've tried to post a lot of facts, not speculation, about the state we are in and have got nothing but a 'well, you're a whinger you would say that' kind of response, no attempt to respond with facts of your own. It's difficult to hold a reasoned debate on that basis. You say every one on both sides of the campaign said we would have to leave the single market, I show how many Brexit campaigners said we should stay in the Single Market. You said they were fringe players and don't count (the campaign managers and founders, Boris and Farage?) I show what is happening in in the economy, you compare it to a lady's cat up a tree. No matter, I'm enjoying it. I've always said the only coherent argument for Brexit is the sovereignty one (even though I couldn't care less about it personally). The rest is just bullshit, we will not be better off economically out of the EU, the question is how much worse off we will be and for how long, if immigration falls it will be because the economy is in down turn, government policy has never controlled it. As always those at the bottom of the economic heap will suffer most. It all seems a rather high price to pay for theoretically 'taking back control' to me. Ps my life is rather good thanks, I am dissatisfied with my government is all. As a contrarian I would doubtless be unsarisfied with any government. But nice flip of a point I made several times early in this thread, that many (not all) Brexit voters thought it was going to change their lives for the better. I wonder what they think now. Though obviously it's embarrassing to admit making a mistake.
Blair signs away Britain's sovereignty PM Tony Blair has solemnly signed the European constitution today, handing over yet more of Britain's sovereignty to Brussels. Just hours earlier, Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said the British people would not be given a say on the treaty until early 2006. An old article but it says so much. There are plenty of newspaper reports showing exactly what happened long before Brexit. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1555187/Blair-to-surrender-British-vetoes-at-EU-summit.html http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/52...e-Brown-makes-Queen-sign-away-our-sovereignty
On a more serious note, will brexit mean that we can't compete in the Euros or is that up for negotiation too???
Did people really vote, not knowing the difference between the EU, Europe, UEFA, and Eurovision? That would actually explain a lot...
Like I've said before, I didn't vote cos I truly didnt know then what were lies and what were truths.
No, not flouncing off, Stan. My therapist says it's important for my mental health to remove myself from all the negativity - at least, I'm sure he would if I had one. Thanks for the apology - I apologise for anything I've thrown. Now I'm going to sit back for a while and watch all you Remainers buddy-up and get it off your chests. If it all gets too much for you, I can recommend a good therapist - at least, I would if I had one
This is a good place to get stuff off your chest, as therapeutic as the psychoanalysts couch. I post because I am genuinely seriously worried and need to express it somewhere, not to wind you or Col or Ellers up - that's just an added bonus. Enjoy your break.
At the risk of repeating myself to an empty room - this simplistic binary choice is part of the problem with the leave argument. Remaining was a pretty much a known quantity... leaving was and is still a complete mystery. How anyone felt educated enough to vote for something so insubstantial and lacking in detail is extraordinary.
Best not read this, Goldie. http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...one-guessed-a7858586.html?cmpid=facebook-post
He's just a whinger Strolls, safe to ignore. Of course only an idiot would believe that 40 years of integration, developing shared (and very efficient) capacity to do demanding technical work in a multitude of different fields can't be undone in a couple of years and the necessary skills and infrastructure put in place to replace them at national level. FFS this is terrifying.
Jesus that is a scary article from the 'UnIndependent'. It's the end of the world! We are all doomed I tell you! The clock is ticking.
48.3% actually* * this statistic is currently being fact checked by my team of magical time travelling elves.
Wow! Spooky prescience... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...g-parliament-eu-leaders-warning-a7781661.html
That was exactly the reason why I voted remain, because to vote leave was a complete guess of the unknown. Anyone who says they made an informed decison based on facts is talking bollocks.
