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  1. seabreeze

    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    Noah didn't kill anyone , given everything is true in reading .The call for " Sinners " going to hell is a plea to God , not chopping peoples head off personally . Can God grow a tree so tall he can't climb it .... trick questions are easily found .
     
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    seabreeze Well-Known Member

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    You can't " Murder "and in your soul believe your off to paradise , unless your " Religion " says you can and then you are following a false God
     
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  3. DMD

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    I find many of the claims for god ridiculous, and not supported by the books that advocate them, where the god doesn't meet the book's own definition of god.

    None of that matters. You claimed "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory".

    An atheist is simply a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods. Any actions ascribed to, or done in the name of that belief are irrelevant to the term.
     
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  4. DMD

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    But they would still be following/believing in a god.

    Do you know what atheist means?
     
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  5. seabreeze

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    Just because people " Say " they believe in God , doesn't mean they do . Actions speak louder than words . You can't believe in God and murder innocent people , you may say you do , but in your soul you know you don't . It's easier to read what a man says , than to read is soul . Atheists may not want to be atheists , but they are involuntarily . You can lie to anyone but yourself
     
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  6. DMD

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    That doesn't make them atheist. They have a belief in a god.

    Your opinion of that god, or how they follow or interpret a religion linked to that god is irrelevant.
     
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  7. Tel (they/them)

    Tel (they/them) Sucky’s Bailiff

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    That's not what atheism is though mate, you've just compicated a very simple thing there. Atheism is a lack of belief in God. If you say you believe in God then you cannot be atheist, regardless of what other actions you take in your life.

    I really don't see how folk get so knotted up about something so simple.

    Your own definition does not apply to every person on the planet therefore the only theory you talk about is your own made up theory that doesn't make any sense in the literal term.
     
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    Not sure how bits complicated and not sure your definition of atheism is correct if you look to likes of Dawkins who believe a creator in alien form is possible

    What @seabreeze is saying is correct. How can Elijah muhaad claim to be Muslim and prophet when the Muslim texts say that you cannot be Muslim unless you believe Muhammad was the last prophet

    Similarly how can you believe in a God that says don't shed innocent blood bybshedding innocent blood?
     
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  9. DMD

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    The clue is in the word 'believe'.

    Atheism is simply a lack of belief in gods. No more, no less.

    The attributes of the god that's believed in, or adherence to any demands of that god is irrelevant.

    If someone believes in the existence of a god, then by definition, they are not an atheist.
     
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    Define belief according to the religion they follow?
     
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  11. DMD

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    It's irrelevant. Atheism is simply a lack of belief in god or gods. If someone is theistic ie holds a belief in a god or gods of any kind, then no matter what else they may be, by definition they are not an atheist.
     
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  12. Tel (they/them)

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    WTF?

    You're talking as if atheism is the default setting for those who don't get their beliefs in order.

    Utter madness.

    How are you even allowed a computer?
     
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  13. thefanwithnoname

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    ^^^^can't do it :emoticon-0136-giggl
     
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  14. thefanwithnoname

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    Try and keep up

    I'm on a phone

    If god says don't kill, but you choose to kill do you believe?
     
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    Some of the arguments going back and fore are interesting, forget about your opinion on the accuracy of said opinions, don't fall into insults and keep going. It's quite interesting to read such opposing views without the standard insults that have only just started.
     
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    I nominate you as ref

    Watch who resorts to swearing and insults first
     
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  17. DMD

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    Can't do what exactly?

    In answer to the second question, yes, you believe. What you're not doing is conforming to the wishes.

    If a book gives a definition for a god, and the content of the same book shows the god doesn't meet that criteria, does that god exist?


    All academic to the point though, the claim was clear and precise. "Every terrorist is an atheist in theory" and that claim is patently wrong.

    All that is being proven, is some can't understand the simple definition of atheism.
     
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    You will have interpreted your own version of said God, adjusted the words you've read to suit your own needs and will have created a new God that follows your own will.
    God is man, man is God.
     
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  19. DMD

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    **** off.
     
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  20. DMD

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    But you would still be a theist, and not an atheist.
     
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