Hilarious!
If you say so. I haven't rated him anywhere that he's been and he just got you relegated. He's ****e.
Rafa to walk
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If you say so. I haven't rated him anywhere that he's been and he just got you relegated. He's ****e.
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If he was called Beni Hill they definitely would
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Was thinking Benny Hill as soon as I saw where you were going.They'd have strung the fat pervy waiter up.
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You're right, he's done nowt anywhere, has he?
Been fired from every job he's had when they realise he's actually useless. Apart from waitering of course.
Sir Sam Allardyce after he sent you down to the Championship.
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Apart from the money, there's no big deal about the championship. I thoroughly enjoyed last season, if you get off to a decent start, I'm sure you lot will too.
At Valencia for 4 years, a team that hadn't won the league in over 3 decades and he wins it twice plus the Uefa cup. If that's failure then yes I'm happily deluded - I'll have myself some of that.
I reckon he's a decent manager with a reputation of higher regard than his abilities warrant. What separates many of the 'good' managers from the top tier highly regarded ones is the actual silverware they bring in. We were well below par last season but ended up winning the league, one way or another he delivered.
2015-16:
24 points from 28 games pre-Rafa
13 points from 10 games with Rafa and the Villa game was the only game from our last 6 we didn't do well in:
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Sam had you playing excellently and deservedly kept you up. I can understand why people confuse that with Rafa failing but there's good reason to think if he'd been given more time (like the amount of time Allardyce had) we would have stayed up. We'll never know and it doesn't matter, we are where we are. Opinions.
Newcastle were poor against Palace, a handful of shots and Cabaye declined to make a decent attempt to score a penalty.
Darlow was MOTM iirc.
You do indeed recall correctly. Palace were already off at the beach really and we were hideously nervous, which we carried on into the match against Villa. In both games we just looked too scared of losing when realistically we should have comfortably won both. What Newcastle fans compare it to though is how we looked under McLaren for the last few months - which was ****ing shocking. We ended up with a decent points haul which would have kept us up most seasons, you guys just went into your standard overdrive and deservedly stayed up, fair play. I just don't buy into the idea that Rafa got us relegated, he turned us around and picked up decent points - you guys just raced past us.
No way that squad should have ever gone down it was a mid table side. Rafa needed to get you performing above that standard and failed. He had you about your level as from the time he joined till the end of the season the form table has you 11th. He did fail because he didn't get enough out of your team. In the same time frame Sam had our much weaker piss poor squad 10th in the form table. That's getting a squad to over perform to save themselves. Rafa was employed to do that and failed. Big Sam taught him a lesson.
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You lot can pretty up the hairs that surround his fart hole before burrowing back in and papering out the light with the wallpaper of his past honors. Doesn't change the fact he failed to get his team to rise to the challenge. Sam did, with abundance.
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No way that squad should have ever gone down it was a mid table side. Rafa needed to get you performing above that standard and failed. He had you about your level as from the time he joined till the end of the season the form table has you 11th. He did fail because he didn't get enough out of your team. In the same time frame Sam had our much weaker piss poor squad 10th in the form table. That's getting a squad to over perform to save themselves. Rafa was employed to do that and failed. Big Sam taught him a lesson.
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You lot can pretty up the hairs that surround his fart hole before burrowing back in and papering out the light with the wallpaper of Rafa's past honors. Doesn't change the fact he failed to get his team to rise to the challenge. Sam did, with abundance.
They would have been lower but their last game was against Spurs who had completely imploded after missing out on the league.
No way that squad should have ever gone down it was a mid table side. Rafa needed to get you performing above that standard and failed. He had you about your level as from the time he joined till the end of the season the form table has you 11th. He did fail because he didn't get enough out of your team. In the same time frame Sam had our much weaker piss poor squad 10th in the form table. That's getting a squad to over perform to save themselves. Rafa was employed to do that and failed. Big Sam taught him a lesson.
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You lot can pretty up the hairs that surround his fart hole before burrowing back in and papering out the light with the wallpaper of Rafa's past honors. Doesn't change the fact he failed to get his team to rise to the challenge. Sam did, with abundance.
Sam had been there for months and got fewer point per game than Rafa, all Rafa was doing was coming in to try and turn around a sinking ship - comparing very different tasks. We had just been tonked at home by Bournemouth and lost 5 of our previous 6 games. Sam did an excellent job in the final weeks, there's no debate about that whatsoever. You're also dressing it up how you want by telling the other half of the story but it's still only half the story. Even the harshest critic of the guy would be hard pressed to believe Rafa was at fault for us going down, I wouldn't have in the top 3. Given how ****e people around here seem to think Rafa is am i to assume people want him to stay?
They would have been lower but their last game was against Spurs who had completely imploded after missing out on the league.
Good point. Spurs fell over for them that day and it was a pointless fixture.
There's no way I'm gonna take the piss out of the mags this season.
I've got too many bets against them so no way I'm gonna jinx those bets!
I've got too many bets against them so no way I'm gonna jinx those bets!
Totally disagree. We managed to get £30m for Sissoko and £10m-odd for Janmaat due to that match.
You are a very good and reasoned poster Haslam and I must say I like you, however, it is inevitable that the flotsam and jepsum of the Tyne will sooner rather than later be embarrassing the good people once again
But our squad was relegation squad. Yours was way way stronger. You can just go of stats along you have to take on board real factors you can't put into numbers. Like fight and spirit. You can't stick that in a stat His arrival should have lifted you lot above their standard and he should have kept you there, as that was required(you weren't dead and burried, you were right in it). Ultimately you were one point from safety when he arrived and finished relegated by 2 points with 3 points gifted on the last day. Villa were gone. The managers of Sunderland, Swansea, Bournmouth and Palace all got more out of their team than Rafa got out of his, and he had the best squad of the lot.
So who's fault was it then? The players who rafa couldn't get the extra out of? Ashley who funded you to the hilt. Can't say it was Tuffty, you had the time and ability to waltz out of that predicament after he went.
I couldn't care less if he stays or goes fella. It makes no odds for me. I've not looked for your results since we relegated you. I just think he's ****. Have done long before he went to you lot.