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If you read a complaint and assume it's 100% factual without hearing the other side for some balance you're a fool.

You and a few others would assume they have a case based purely on who the respondents are without even reading it. Now that's a lost cause.

Oddly enough complaints always paint the petitioner as the victim.

It may well turn out true but until ALL sides speak I'm not whipping my pitchfork out.

Ehab comes across as a clueless berk in that submission, regardless of what evidence the SMC file.

The club refused to meet with ACAS by the way.
 
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If you read a complaint and assume it's 100% factual without hearing the other side for some balance you're a fool.

You and a few others would assume they have a case based purely on who the respondents are without even reading it. Now that's a lost cause.

Oddly enough complaints always paint the petitioner as the victim.

It may well turn out true but until ALL sides speak I'm not whipping my pitchfork out.
Your allegiance to Ehab is 100 % isn't it.
 
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Even a simple dismissal requires due process be followed. It would appear that Ehab and his HR person have not followed any sort of process

Ehab will dispute what he's being quoted as saying - and I doubt anyone recorded the meeting - but it does make amusing reading and paints him as an utter clown
Even if you dismiss the account of events up to the hearings as hearsay - the fact that the groundsmen didn't have copies of their updated contracts, nor copies of the disciplinary hearings or the appeal shows that the employer was not following proper procedure. And if the employer is clearly not following proper procedure in one area, it lends weight and credibility to the employee complaints (like the lack of procedure for "time in lieu" and support for divoting after the rugby).

Still, no-one tells them how to run their company, not even to the extent of complying with UK employment law.
 
Even if you dismiss the account of events up to the hearings as hearsay - the fact that the groundsmen didn't have copies of their updated contracts, nor copies of the disciplinary hearings or the appeal shows that the employer was not following proper procedure. And if the employer is clearly not following proper procedure in one area, it lends weight and credibility to the employee complaints (like the lack of procedure for "time in lieu" and support for divoting after the rugby).

Still, no-one tells them how to run their company, not even to the extent of complying with UK employment law.

The law is only for paupers.
 
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Update on Unfairly Dismissed by Stadium Management Company

Dear Backer

We can confirm that we have now issued our unfair dismissal claims at the Employment Tribunal. We appreciate that after the initial flurry of activity, when we raised our initial £5000 target in 44 hours, that things have been a bit quiet but we have been working hard with our solicitors and barrister to get the claim ready. You can read the Particulars of Complaint by clicking the link. It runs to 25 pages so it's not a quick read but it explains how unfairly we were treated.

The initial £5000 has paid for us to start the claim, including a £500 'issue fee' the Employment Tribunal charge. We are now starting to crowdfund to see the case through and all support is greatly appreciated. We will be doing regular updates now that the Tribunal process is ongoing.

Anyway please have a read. You paid for it and we hope you will understand why we are doing this. We are two quiet lads really so all the attention has been unusual to say the least, but we are determined to keep fighting for justice and to get our jobs back. On behalf of ourselves, and our families, many many thanks for your support.

Mark and Darrell

https://app.box.com/v/particularsofcomplaint
Having read every word of the report it has reinforced a few things in my mind:-

A. Ehab Allam is a total dickwad.

B. The evidence in the report is absolutely damning with regard to the SMC, and in particular to the incompetent Hickson, Clark and Ehab Allam.

C. The two grounds men are well within their rights to sue for wrongful dismissal and should easily succeed.

D. Ehab Allam is more interested in petty vindictiveness rather than concentrating on maintaining, what was last season, the clubs Premier League status, which in turn has cost the business untold millions of pounds, in this regard, if daddy wasn't the owner, he should, by any scale of measurement, be sacked for gross misconduct and serious dereliction of duty.

E. I could run through right to the letter Z however I really can't be arsed in spending time pointing out already well documented negative statements regarding the Allam's, and in particular the negatives of the old mans spawn.

F. Ehab Allam is quite clearly a total dickwad an almighty ****it, and in no way, shape or form capable of managing any multi-million pound business, not now, not ever!
 
No.

My neutrality is 100%.

Take the blinkers off, you might see something that surprises you.
I always do take a neutral view on things.
I know I don't need to where the Allams are concerned because of their blatant disregard for everyone but themselves.
And I know people that have had to deal with their nasty disrespectful attitude.
 
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I've read the full 25 pages. No doubt the club has their side of the story which will be aired in public at some point.

One thing that does stand out though from the 2 groundsmen's statement is the complete lack of structure at the club. Should an acting Chairman (for that's what he is) really be getting involved in disciplinary hearings ? Is that normal for a company that has a multi-million pound turnover?

It highlights the lack of delegation at the club and the lack of trust that the Allams seem to have in everybody outside the family.
 
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Having read every word of the report it has reinforced a few things in my mind:-

A. Ehab Allam is a total dickwad.

B. The evidence in the report is absolutely damning with regard to the SMC, and in particular to the incompetent Hickson, Clark and Ehab Allam.

C. The two grounds men are well within their rights to sue for wrongful dismissal and should easily succeed.

D. Ehab Allam is more interested in petty vindictiveness rather than concentrating on maintaining, what was last season, the clubs Premier League status, which in turn has cost the business untold millions of pounds, in this regard, if daddy wasn't the owner, he should, by any scale of measurement, be sacked for gross misconduct and serious dereliction of duty.

E. I could run through right to the letter Z however I really can't be arsed in spending time pointing out already well documented negative statements regarding the Allam's, and in particular the negatives of the old mans spawn.

F. Ehab Allam is quite clearly a total dickwad an almighty ****it, and in no way, shape or form capable of managing any multi-million pound business, not now, not ever!
Dont tell Happy .
 
I've read the full 25 pages. No doubt the club has their side of the story which will be aired in public at some point.

One thing that does stand out though from the 2 groundsmen's statement is the complete lack of structure at the club. Should an acting Chairman (for that's what he is) really be getting involved in disciplinary hearings ? Is that normal for a company that has (had) a multi-million pound turnover?

It highlights the lack of delegation at the club and the lack of trust that the Allams seem to have in everybody outside the family.
Yes I agree
 
It has just struck me that one of the named individuals in that submission is probably a close relative of someone that posts regularly in this board. Grounds for locking the thread maybe?

To that end, could a mod please remove my post where it quoted by three subsequent posters on page 27?
 
It has just struck me that one of the named individuals in that submission is probably a close relative of someone that posts regularly in this board. Grounds for locking the thread maybe?
No. This thread is of great interest to everyone on this board, and as long as it doesn't jeopardise the claimants case then it really should stay open.
 
I've read the full 25 pages. No doubt the club has their side of the story which will be aired in public at some point.

One thing that does stand out though from the 2 groundsmen's statement is the complete lack of structure at the club. Should an acting Chairman (for that's what he is) really be getting involved in disciplinary hearings ? Is that normal for a company that has a multi-million pound turnover?

It highlights the lack of delegation at the club and the lack of trust that the Allams seem to have in everybody outside the family.
I don't know anything about this case, but I've said on here several times that I've been astonished with the lack of delegation at the Club in my dealings with them
The level of decision which has had to be passed to Ehab to make is incredible
 
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