It's that big it's got it's own gravitational pull, I swear there was crisp packets orbiting it at Goodison this season
It's soooo big it has it own weather system.
Harry Maguire......
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It's soooo big it has it own weather system.
I see we've snapped up another young talent - Henry Onyekuru, top scorer in Belgium last year at 19. We're loaning him out to Anderlecht for the season
Just my own observations from what i've witnessed of the two.
I see we've snapped up another young talent - Henry Onyekuru, top scorer in Belgium last year at 19. We're loaning him out to Anderlecht for the season
Isn't that something to do with work permit issues? Even then it's great to see we have a pipeline that can feed talent into the first team squad that is being supplemented with wise buys.
Hey PJS, are you getting worried about our bet now that we have got MP2 managing us?...
Who?
Southampton(the scummers)don't make the news up here.
According to the Spanish experts he is Pochettino mk 2 so we can expect to have two really good seasons before he ****s off somewhere else!...
Same with us and Koeman then
Yeah saw us play against all of them and Keane and Gibson were both mugged by Slimani who bagged a brace against Burnley. He made them look like schoolboys. Maguire was excellent against us even though they lost 3-1. So yeah I watch plenty of football with my own eyes, never miss a game.
Because you're going to pay at least £25m and we didn't pay £17m, it's £12m with add-ons so "potentially" £17m so you're paying more than double and he's not worth more than double, if anything at all. I don't see any difference in value between the three.
Because of Vardy, Mahrez and Kante people forget about all the crap that Walsh brought to the club too. For the few gems there have been more dude. Inler, Hernandez, Mendy, Benalouane, Musa, Zieler and Amartey. Cost us £50m and none of them are good enough to be starting and I'd be surprised if the ones still here will be in the squad next season. So don't be expecting every signing to be spot on because it won't be.
We bid for Keane last season but didn't think he was worth going in for again, why is that? We've been watching Maguire since Sheff Utd and Keane since he was with us but we went for Maguire because he's the better, cheaper option so it makes more sense.[/QUOTE]
Maguire has a lower average rating than Keane.
In the links you post, I guess stats are now the wrong way to judge???
Maguire has a lower average rating than Keane.
In the links you post, I guess stats are now the wrong way to judge???[/QUOTE]
You have to look individually at each stat and then you'll see that Maguire beats him in all but a couple.
You also have to take into account Maguire's sub appearances because his starting performances were higher than Keane's. He had 7.15 for defender centre and 7.28 for defender right but 6.5 for sub which brought the average down. Everyone knows it's hard for a sub to get a high rating because they're rarely on the pitch long enough.
You're just looking at numbers without seeing them all and without putting any thought into the reason why certain stats are higher because of team style of play. If you want to understand properly you need to look outside the box. This is what football data analysing is all about, it's not a simple black and white equation, it's based upon a combination of factors and looking deeper than the surface.
You laugh but we beat Burnley 3-0 and Keane had a mare against Slimani. He outmuscled him and lost him multiple times with his movement and yeah bagged an easy brace. It was our easiest game of the season.
Boro gave us a tougher test because we were crap then but Vardy still beat Gibson all ends up for pace and Slimani again outmuscled and he couldn't cope with him.
Don't get me wrong Slimani is a quality player and I don't think there's anyone with a better headed goal ratio anywhere and his movement is excellent but it was man agaisnt boys.
I just watched the Burnley goals again and the first was a free kick where his positioning was crap because he should have been a yard further back and the second he looked clueless. As the ball was out wide with Mahrez he saw Slimani coming in but left him and watched the runner instead of talking to his team mate pulling him over to get the runner and dropping off to cover Slimani. He did nothing and Slimani had a free header. Poor defending.
But anyway let's draw a line under it, Keane is a good player and at £25m represents far better value for money than Stones. It also makes sense for him to move to Everton because he gets to stay in the north west.
I think you overestimate how good Keane is in comparison to Maguire but hey it's your opinion, I'm just of the opinion that he's not any better and we got a bargain because that's what we do.
So let's just be happy that we're both signing two of the best English centre halves for relatively peanuts and we're both looking at very bright futures.
If I were you guys though I'd be a lot more concerned about replacing Lukaku than worrying about keepers, defenders and midfielders. Niang and Sandro aren't the answer and if Worthington's scouting record with Hernandez is anything to go by, I wouldn't be holding out much hope.
Reality is Lukaku can only be replaced by someone like Lukaku and he's going to cost a fortune and realistically, Everton can't attract or afford that calibre of player. We're talking Lacazette or Aubeyamang players of that calibre who cost a mint and are out of your league.
Without his goals last season you'd have been lower half with Barkley the next highest on only 5 and only 21 between the six after Lukaku, that would concern me immensely but none of you seem worried about losing the only guy who scores goals for you.
I think you overestimate how good Keane is in comparison to Maguire but hey it's your opinion, I'm just of the opinion that he's not any better and we got a bargain because that's what we do.
So let's just be happy that we're both signing two of the best English centre halves for relatively peanuts and we're both looking at very bright futures.
If I were you guys though I'd be a lot more concerned about replacing Lukaku than worrying about keepers, defenders and midfielders. Niang and Sandro aren't the answer and if Worthington's scouting record with Hernandez is anything to go by, I wouldn't be holding out much hope.
Reality is Lukaku can only be replaced by someone like Lukaku and he's going to cost a fortune and realistically, Everton can't attract or afford that calibre of player. We're talking Lacazette or Aubeyamang players of that calibre who cost a mint and are out of your league.
Without his goals last season you'd have been lower half with Barkley the next highest on only 5 and only 21 between the six after Lukaku, that would concern me immensely but none of you seem worried about losing the only guy who scores goals for you.
two of the best English centre halves
If you class Maguire in the group of the best English CB's then we are very weak in that area!
Reality is Lukaku can only be replaced by someone like Lukaku and he's going to cost a fortune and realistically, Everton can't attract or afford that calibre of player. We're talking Lacazette or Aubeyamang players of that calibre who cost a mint and are out of your league.
So we need a player like Lukaku, then you mention two players who apart from being in demand, have very different skill sets to Rom!
Niang and Sandro aren't the answer and if Worthington's
Who the hell is Worthington?