Off Topic Finsbury Park

Sooner or later somebody was bound to snap and see it as giving some back.

 

The fact is that the vast majority of ISIS victims are ordinary Muslims, and this was an attack on ordinary Muslims.. The one group who will be very happy about this is ISIS.

 

Of course ISIS will be calling for all sorts of action now. They`ll be making the most of this for sure.

 

Agree Pops they will. Hypocrits though, these were peaceful Muslims, so on another day Isis would be slaughtering them themselves for not going along with their way.

 

And the unseen politicians and power of the good old USA will be smiling too..

 

. Wrong thread, I realise hours later

 

I'm gutted to be writing this, but I refuse to become PC.

I've watched a lot of news today with interviews from Muslims and their rhetoric has definitely changed. They are asking for security outside all mosques, they're saying that they now don't feel welcome in this country. One Muslim guy said he is NOW scared to leave the house. Why now, every ****er else has been feeling that way for months.

No special privileges should be dished to a specific community. We are all in this together, aren't we, guys?

Fair play to the Imam who stopped the terrorist from being beaten to death. He should really have just stepped aside, though.

 

I think the proof of it all will be when an aggressive force tries to invade, the world is a volatile place at the moment, you have situations everywhere that could kick off and drag us as a Country full on in it.

Lets see who holds the Country to esteem then like the lads did back in 1939, are willing to risk life and limb to fight for our shores. I think a good number of the Northern lads will, they always have done but that will be the telling point for our foreign residents imo. A lot will, don't get me wrong, they are proud to call themselves British but there will be a lot filling the airports and Seaports..

Just my opinion..

 

Horrendous events last night, there really are are some evil c*nts in this world.

I do find it quite hypocritical however that many of the same people who suggested nothing more than solidarity, hashtags and candlelit vigils after the recent Islamic terror attacks are now calling for new stringent laws and a massive police crackdown on Islamophobia.

 

Theresa was quick off the mark too, must have had the electricity charging up expecting something..

 

Probably be more and more of this kind of stuff.

 

Nope, We should all feel the lack inadequate police numbers together.

 

Don't think it's rhetoric or anything has changed.

I am Muslim and have been hearing this stuff since way back, where Muslims have felt threatened. Thing was no one gave a feck.

Around my way an ex soldier was sent down for trying to blow up a mosque about 5 years ago, attacks increased on mainly Muslim women and anyone remember the van attack in Birmingham? The Muslims pensioners killed? Etc.

This event has been the first to give voice to a community but its always been there

 

I don't see how it's hypocritical in any way. I don't think I understand your point. What's hipocritical people wanting solidarity wanting a crackdown on Islamophobia exactly. Do you want everyone siding with Islamophobia or something? Don't get what your gripe is.

It needs crackdown imo. It's a delicate situation which could fracture our society. Unfortunately the changes, efforts and capital needed we've got the wrong government for imo but all sides need to feel appeased, all sides need to feel safer and all sides need to feel there's people acting in their interest(When I say sides I mean the sections of society at play, not the side of these terrorists). That means a massive crackdown on Islamophobia, it's means a mass of money and laws put in place to deal with home-extremism. We've got work for and support both.

We can demand all this and keep solidarity. But finger pointing will fracture and devide it imo. More extreme forms of this attitude is the biggest threat to the collapse of our socioty imo.

 

Hardly surprising that this has happened. I dare say more of this will be on the way. Ironically, this is exactly what Isis wants

 

Very true, but isn't that's what lead to the extremest attacks too? You take an event (London Bridge attack, illegal Britsh invasion of Iraq) People feel injustice. From then it's the propaganda a person chooses to listen too which takes them on the path. Most of us don't listen to the propaganda which leads somebody to mow down innocent people.

Propaganda. The big evil at play.

 

It's hypocritical because following the Manchester and London Bridge attacks certain people and media outlets were quick to insist that the only moral response to the events was to "carry on exactly as before", whereas now that the victim is a Muslim these same people are calling for decisive legislative action (measures such as extra policing around mosques, for example). Terrorism is terrorism, nomatter what the motivation, and it should be met with the same response.

And of course I'm not saying that people should "side with Islamophobia". Judging someone purely based on their religion is moronic, and senseless violence against Muslims is the best recruitment drive Isis could have hoped for. I agree that we need a crackdown both on Islamic extremism and reactionary right-wing terrorism. Reasonable people in the middle need to become the dominant voice in the debate, as right now the loudest shouts are from the extremists.

 

But that's a segregated attitude imo. While this is going on we've also got immigrants coming into the country and raping women, Theft of Personal details, slave trade and so many other front line crime which is going through the roof with nothing being done about it. We need to stand together and say that not enough is being done about all these things, because the main enabler is a lack of resources to deal with them imo. I think this lack of street level protection is effecting every walk of life.

We need to stand together as one society to make changes. Things will get worse if we all cling to our subcultures to fight individual sides. For me there's no muslim, christians, athiests, whites, blacks and browns. It's simply us against the Terrorists, rapists, racist, murders, slavers and theives. Our services aren't funded enough to deal with one of them nevermind all. We should stick together and fight for everyone imo. No decent human being should feel unsafe in this country, but the dangers are everywhere.


I suspect the opposite will happen, we'll fracture further.

 

according to the mayor of London this sort of thing is to be expected in a major city

 

It means carry on normally as a society. it doesn't mean avoid tackling Terror. It still stands surely? We must carry on as a society. But it's not hypocritical to expect the authorities to try and make our little part of the world a safer place as we do it, that means an expectation for the people paid to protect us to tackle extremism and Islamophobia while we carry on living our lives and turning the cogs of our economy. Nowt's changed imo. Solidarity is key, tackling this **** is essential.