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Lacazette isn't going Arsenal.

1. Hes said many times only wants to leave for CL football.

2. Lyon have said he's not going anywhere now his move to atletico broke down.

3. They've probably lined something up for him to move to atletico in Jan or next summer.
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
You all miss the real issue on lucas.

Its symptomatic of the issues that lfc have had.

That lad as nice as he is should not be withing 5 million miles of a top english team. Thats just a fact. As he is there... like kolo toure for example... lfc are floating around 6th 7th 8th... not his fault but the reality of watching lfc STRUGGLE is that we make do.

How the hell any club can expect to progress up and win things when one injury occurs and we are into the ings, stewarts, and poor old lucas' of this world.

Let me just say this... we scraped by.. absolutely scraped by the last 3 months

Without 3/4 genuine quality players lfc are still not anywhere near the genuine article.

Ive outlined why lycas isnt good enough 3 times. I taje absolute issue with anyobe daring to conpare him to pirlo.. i really do as just saying oh he doesnt need to run to syand there and hold misses the point too.... setting up to protect him kills out high press game. How many times did you see him struggling? Lots is the answer. We got luck in several narrow games last year.

Lfc are best with 4/5 players high up pressing so yeah a holding cm or cb needs to be able cover the ground as in transition we would or should have 3 players back.

Note the goal scored by palace off lovren. Our team is pressibg and he loses position yeah? Fine.. lovren can run a bit but hes exposed in space and this is our game!

Think of putting poor lucas in tgere in that space... well we didnt did we. We went and scrapped a 1-0 or whatever with hardly any shots cos we had to change everything.

This whole system is why vvd was sought... why we need both intelligence and ability to cover the ground.

Surely to god people see this?

Weve far too many lads for too long who cant hold their end uo when the high press is on.
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First highlight: when you are trying to make a serious point then over-exaggeration will always undermine it.
Second highlight: just plain wrong. We were nowhere near as good as the first half of the season, certainly in style of play, but the points haul was comparable. It was the third quarter that did for us.
 
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saintKlopp said:
First highlight: when you are trying to make a serious point then over-exaggeration will always undermine it.
Second highlight: just plain wrong. We were nowhere near as good as the first half of the season, certainly in style of play, but the points haul was comparable. It was the third quarter that did for us.
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Ok you tell me then. Which of the top teams would have Lucas? Which one? City? Arsenal? Utd? Chelsea? Spurs?

Let's just dig into results.

May first ok.
Boro, hammering no Lucas..3-0 coutinho brilliant.
West ham. Easy stuff. 4-0 Lucas on as 87th min sub
Southampton 0-0 Lucas at cm.
Watford 1-0 truly awful game. Awful. Lucas punt. Can scores over head from edge of box..coutinho off after 15mins.. Lucas played 90..

April
Palace 1-2 loss Lucas plays cm
West Brom. 1-0 win, scraped by, they looked totally distinerested. Lucas plays cm. 2 shots on target from us.
Stoke 2-1 win. No Lucas.
Bournemouth 2-2 Lucas plays cm. We were unconvincing their late goal was ****e stuff
Everton 3-1 win. Everton play did and go never dives, easy win Lucas plays

Trends?
Seriously playing 90% bottom half teams and we struggle. I say again. He cannot run and the whole teams set up changes
When we get coutinho fit and playing well and sturridge out there last two it's easy.

There's games in there that were truly truly awful to watch
 
moreinjuredthanowen said:
Ok you tell me then. Which of the top teams would have Lucas? Which one? City? Arsenal? Utd? Chelsea? Spurs?

Let's just dig into results.

May first ok.
Boro, hammering no Lucas..3-0 coutinho brilliant.
West ham. Easy stuff. 4-0 Lucas on as 87th min sub
Southampton 0-0 Lucas at cm.
Watford 1-0 truly awful game. Awful. Lucas punt. Can scores over head from edge of box..coutinho off after 15mins.. Lucas played 90..

April
Palace 1-2 loss Lucas plays cm
West Brom. 1-0 win, scraped by, they looked totally distinerested. Lucas plays cm. 2 shots on target from us.
Stoke 2-1 win. No Lucas.
Bournemouth 2-2 Lucas plays cm. We were unconvincing their late goal was ****e stuff
Everton 3-1 win. Everton play did and go never dives, easy win Lucas plays

Trends?
Seriously playing 90% bottom half teams and we struggle. I say again. He cannot run and the whole teams set up changes
When we get coutinho fit and playing well and sturridge out there last two it's easy.

There's games in there that were truly truly awful to watch
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I'm sure I've seen Lucas run?
 
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Sounds like you're all violently agreeing. Mito is less sentimental than others but in essence, everyone agrees that it's time for him to move on, with our love and affection, obviously. <ok>
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
Ok you tell me then. Which of the top teams would have Lucas? Which one? City? Arsenal? Utd? Chelsea? Spurs?

Let's just dig into results.

May first ok.
Boro, hammering no Lucas..3-0 coutinho brilliant.
West ham. Easy stuff. 4-0 Lucas on as 87th min sub
Southampton 0-0 Lucas at cm.
Watford 1-0 truly awful game. Awful. Lucas punt. Can scores over head from edge of box..coutinho off after 15mins.. Lucas played 90..

April
Palace 1-2 loss Lucas plays cm
West Brom. 1-0 win, scraped by, they looked totally distinerested. Lucas plays cm. 2 shots on target from us.
Stoke 2-1 win. No Lucas.
Bournemouth 2-2 Lucas plays cm. We were unconvincing their late goal was ****e stuff
Everton 3-1 win. Everton play did and go never dives, easy win Lucas plays

Trends?
Seriously playing 90% bottom half teams and we struggle. I say again. He cannot run and the whole teams set up changes
When we get coutinho fit and playing well and sturridge out there last two it's easy.

There's games in there that were truly truly awful to watch
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Really, I can't be bothered.
 
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KENNY_KLOPP_KING said:
Sounds like you're all violently agreeing. Mito is less sentimental than others but in essence, everyone agrees that it's time for him to move on, with our love and affection, obviously. <ok>
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that is probably fair.

I'm look at it like this.

the lads been well paid for his service and others who leave and get on with it come back and are rightly welcomes.. look at luis garcia. did his bit, thanks for the memories and off he goes to atletico, he's welcomed back any time for who he is.

Others are whiny ****s thinking they are owed and don't come back.

theres the "family" of the club and then theres the on the pitch business. Nobody is saying get out and never darken our doors again to the fella. Its just well past time he was off and someone else into play footie.

Other prime examples were: poor dirk kuyt, couldn't keep up here but gave his all and went off and had a great time after us. Rickie lambert got a season in a red shirt which was bascially crazy but it happened, gerrard REALISTICALLY should have retired at end of 213/14, it was actually sad to see his last season go that badly after it. Carragher got out at right time, one could argue it was a season even too long for LFC.

The POINT is in the business of winning games at the sharp end no team can afford a half passenger especially when in general their rivals have the many more resources and talents.

IMO if lucas had not got injured in 2011 he could have been the difference for us with suarez and sturridge up top but that was not meant to be. when he was fit and flying he was prob actually at least as good as henderson ever has been for us.

SO I just park the he's one of us stuff and look at it like they all have to do a job and if that job is done its done. Realistically we are talking oh keep him are we? well how are we progressing o nthe pitch doing this? really?

We've just got coutinho developed to a point where teams are sniffing. We have mane who stepped up from his southampton form to become key for us. We have matip who looks class but a bit fragile. We've one or two others who might be up to it. We need to develop more players not just float along.
 
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moreinjuredthanowen said:
in comparison to?

a) a toddler?
b) rickie lambert?
c) emre can?
d) any decent paced player in the prem?

looks to me like... bascially nobody is denying the lads legs are gone they are just defending him out of loyalty.
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MITO mate, you're coming across as a proper 'sky era' fan.

Maybe that's the issue. Some fans like to have some loyalty left in their club, clearly you don't care for such things. That's fair enough if that's your bag.
 
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1) Its not all about starting place, we need a squad. How many times have we been without our 'strongest' eleven.
2) He gives us options depending on the opposition. We can mix it up and try a different approach to games.
2) I actually think he would start and Coutinho would drop back into midfield.
 
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