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It isn't.
I've cast my vote, it is matterless who for as Labour always piss this seat.


I reckon that I may be one of the very few who remember when Sunderland South returned a Conservative as MP.

His name was Paul Williams, as I recall and he was very much a right winger.
 
Obviously I can only speak for myself but when I voted to leave I expected that there would be a high price to pay.

But I wanted my country back.
No objection at all to the trading pact I had initially voted for but I never voted for a political union with Countries I don't trust, or to have our Laws decided by these countries.

So I was expecting a 'hard brexit'.

It will, in my opinion, be a price worth paying.

But in any case the terms are entirely out of our hand. The Countries that remain i9n the EU will decide them.
Not our PM.
Not our Electorate.
And most certainly not our Newspapers.

Trying to blame any or all of these for something that hasn't even been decided yet would be just a touch premature, don't you think?





do not trust the torries ..you know who takes the hits .in the end , and yes was expecting something in way of cuts ..

i just sat back and now learnt a lot about May and especially Boris Johnson , they just do not seem to be in touch with people like me ...

Not only can one just not be bothered , she also use newspapers to mislead people .. also false promises .

They can not even answer a question proper .well that is just ignorance in my eyes .. never change. and not for me .

just my view.
 
They can not even answer a question proper .well that is just ignorance in my eyes .. never change. and not for me .

just my view.

That go's for every politician in the world.

As I think Bart stated earlier we'll be bankrupt with another Labour government in power, to the masses they promise the world but borrow everything to deliver something that we can't afford to do.
 
That go's for every politician in the world.

As I think Bart stated earlier we'll be bankrupt with another Labour government in power, to the masses they promise the world but borrow everything to deliver something that we can't afford to do.


umm
the debt is now much larger . since the tories took over , they promised to reduce this with cuts . with labour it would be one step at a time .
 
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UKIP for me and I know it's pointless but i can't vote for Labour or the Tories.
 
do not trust the torries ..you know who takes the hits .in the end , and yes was expecting something in way of cuts ..

i just sat back and now learnt a lot about May and especially Boris Johnson , they just do not seem to be in touch with people like me ...

Not only can one just not be bothered , she also use newspapers to mislead people .. also false promises .

They can not even answer a question proper .well that is just ignorance in my eyes .. never change. and not for me .


just my view.

You sound like you've just discovered politicians.
 
May should have turned up but even thot
That go's for every politician in the world.

As I think Bart stated earlier we'll be bankrupt with another Labour government in power, to the masses they promise the world but borrow everything to deliver something that we can't afford to do.
This!
The last 2 labour governments (the only 2 in my lifetime) have left the country in a complete and massive mess. The hated Conservatives have had to inherit the mess left behind! Just my opinion.
 
May should have turned up but even thot

This!
The last 2 labour governments (the only 2 in my lifetime) have left the country in a complete and massive mess. The hated Conservatives have had to inherit the mess left behind! Just my opinion.
The last labour governments resided in the most prosperous times ever seen in the UK..The global banking crisis left the country in a mess, and the Tory policies of cuts to everyone and everything but the rich has just managed to double the national debt. And you think they are the ones to be trusted with the economy?
 
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Thatcher was what the country needed at the time. May is no Thatcher. She isn't even close!

Exactly mate. Thatcher is what the country needed at that time. Someone had to sort the over powerful unions out at that time...and she did just that. Late 70s was strike after strike! We had a lazy workforce and she brought about competition.
 
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The last labour governments resided in the most prosperous times ever seen in the UK..The global banking crisis left the country in a mess, and the Tory policies of cuts to everyone and everything but the rich has just managed to double the national debt. And you think they are the ones to be trusted with the economy?

Most prosperous times? It was all on the never never! We are still paying now for those "prosperous" times!
 
Exactly mate. Thatcher is what the country needed at that time. Someone had to sort the over powerful unions out at that time...and she did just that. Late 70s was strike after strike! We had a lazy workforce and she brought about competition.


do you not mean she took away the working mans rights . and jobs and futures..
 
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The last labour governments resided in the most prosperous times ever seen in the UK..The global banking crisis left the country in a mess, and the Tory policies of cuts to everyone and everything but the rich has just managed to double the national debt. And you think they are the ones to be trusted with the economy?
Ha! Hans Christian RAW <laugh>
 
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Most prosperous times? It was all on the never never! We are still paying now for those "prosperous" times!

The economy was doing well and the trade deficit as a percentage of GDP was far lower than what went before.. The economy thrived, crime dropped dramatically, crumbling schools and hospitals were replaced etc etc.. More was achieved under Labour than has ever been done by the tories..
 
Exactly mate. Thatcher is what the country needed at that time. Someone had to sort the over powerful unions out at that time...and she did just that. Late 70s was strike after strike! We had a lazy workforce and she brought about competition.
Way off target there overall. She barely got in at first term and was heading to be bombed out by a disgruntled country as the most evil woman in UK history. Against the advice of her own party and other people raised the stakes because of Falklands. For that the right wing press were comparing her to Bodicea and calling for her to lead the nation and so on.

Given a huge majority after that she dismantled the industrial country and the Unions to suit Torydom and caused some huge hardship to anywhere that was not Tory through her Council Tax. She lied her way quite well and manipulated situations to gain the upper hand over everything and those nearest the trough got the biggest amounts.
 
The economy was doing well and the trade deficit as a percentage of GDP was far lower than what went before.. The economy thrived, crime dropped dramatically, crumbling schools and hospitals were replaced etc etc.. More was achieved under Labour than has ever been done by the tories..
Largely inherited from Ken Clarke, who put the economy back on its feet after the early 90s recession. Interestingly, the first thing Gordon Brown did as Chancellor was abolish the payment of tax credits on dividends. The only people who used to be able to claim them back were non-taxpayers, mainly people on low incomes (who had spare allowances), pension funds and charities. Very socialist. He took £5Bn a year out of pension funds (at 1997 values) at a stroke, so if you're wondering why pensions are in the crap you can do worse than go back and take a dekko at that.
 
I vote @Mackem-Tiz! :emoticon-0148-yes::)

I come from a Labour supporting family, but I also come from a generation who had to suffer the misery of the Callaghan era in the mid 70's a.k.a The Winter Of Discontent.
Strike after strike, power cuts, no bread or milk in the shops, no fuel deliveries, no rubbish collections and the dead left unburied. A thoroughly miserable time was had by all.
So you won't be surprised when I say that I despise unions and have never voted Labour in my life. Thatcher did exactly the right thing for this country in stripping the unions of their excessive power.
 
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