Claude Puel - Gone!.............Confirmed.

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OddRiverOakWizards said:
People on here say that they want more entertaining football. Is that not why Stoke replaced Pulis with Hughes and West Ham replaced Allardyce with Bilic, have either team improved, I would argue no, they have become porous and conceded more and thus ended up further down the table. West Brom are not exciting but they did almost as well as us, so success and entertaining are very different things.
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Oh, I don't know. From where I'm sitting, West Hams games were very entertaining...
 
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spacedsaint said:
Well, you might not like the labels but that is exactly what supporting a team is. We are buying into the idea of a Southampton FC. It might feel somehow more honourable or more romantic, but it isn't really.

I disagree the "purpose is never to look good" when watching Chelsea and Totenham this season has been like watching beautiful poetry spoken by actors, and watching Southampton has been like watching broken verse read by awkward teenagers. Beauty and craft, more often than not, go with success.

However, this is mostly semantics. The issue I return to is: people enjoy the football more when the style of play is more exciting. We may like winning, but winning with style is numero uno.
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Don't agree with that. What came first, supporting your local team, or corporate domination, branding and all the **** that goes with it. For me, no longer living there, Saints is an emotional attachment of sorts that I'm not willing to give up. Plus, I like supporting the underdog, not that I have a choice!

Totally agree with your second paragraph though. Lovely analogy. And the third I think.
 
billyisfixed said:
I'm sure it was you once that said, "I have a job you know," when taking a while to respond :emoticon-0105-wink:
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Maybe it was, but that doesn't lend itself so much to my quip.

And I got sacked this week so have clearly too much time on me hand![/QUOTE]

Oh ****, sorry to hear that. What's your line of work?
 
spacedsaint said:
Well, you might not like the labels but that is exactly what supporting a team is. We are buying into the idea of a Southampton FC. It might feel somehow more honourable or more romantic, but it isn't really.

I disagree the "purpose is never to look good" when watching Chelsea and Totenham this season has been like watching beautiful poetry spoken by actors, and watching Southampton has been like watching broken verse read by awkward teenagers. Beauty and craft, more often than not, go with success.

However, this is mostly semantics. The issue I return to is: people enjoy the football more when the style of play is more exciting. We may like winning, but winning with style is numero uno.
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My arse, it has. Take Costa, Willian and Hazard out of that team and it'd be like watching an episode of Bergerac.
 
spacedsaint said:
So, you derive no pleasure from the sport as spectacle? Poor soul.

I don't say people purely watch for entertainment, but it is an entertainment industry. Top level sport is there to be consumed as an exhibition product. We might be loyal to our brand, but we still want our brand to look good.

I would say the vast majority of people want to be entertained at the football. This is not about me. It is surely a general truth. You may point out the loyalty and sado-masochism of fans, but even the most dyed in the wool fan wants to see a spectacle of good football - even if they are a pragmatist who wants results first.

Can I also point out the irony of accusing me of being all about me, and then making your response all about you? Chuckle chuckle guffaw?
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Spacedsaint, I'm going to leave it. You totally missed the "about you" comment. Missed it by so far you couldn't have read it properly. I was actually telling you could only say that about you.. not accusing you of anything...and me only about me. Chuckle ****ing chuckle guffaw. So, so misread what I wrote. Quite funny actually. You clearly launched in with your preconceived view of my views. Brilliant.

But anyway forget. I'm clearly a different type of supporter* to you and expect different things.

Best leave it.

* best also state that I'm not saying either is good or bad, before the accusations start.
 
billyisfixed said:
Different tactics away from home.

And people who put others views down that appear to moan about the state of play do at times, in my opinion,seem a little arrogant. Your previous response to me came across to me as arrogant, which I'm sure wasn't your intention...
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Maybe you should turn down your "arrogance detector" - might be set too high <laugh>
 
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billyisfixed said:
And Chilco, I'm not in the Puel out camp, I do see bits on both sides and think he could turn out amazing for us if he stays, just don't see him getting the time, and he would have to turn on the style pretty damn quick next season...
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That's the whole point of the "stay" camp as I see it.... give him the chance to do that.
 
Pelletron said:
I remember that Liverpool fans were chuffed last season to finish 8th and get two finals. We've achieved the same league placing as they did last season, and achieved one of those finals that they did, and our fans (a great deal of them, it seems) want the manager out. Wonder how it came to this? Sixth was an anomaly really for Saints - remove it from the records, and this would be further progress/consolidation, in probably the hardest set of conditions since Nigel brought us up. Koeman ditched us out of all cups early on to achieve what he did.

Saints could have won about five more games (assuming one of those wasn't against Everton) and remained in 8th place this season. Something like 7 more wins and we'd have only moved up one place. That would be a remarkable amount of more wins, and we'd really gain nothing further from it. Would fans still want Puel out?

I would not expect him to play the same way next season - he did what he had to under difficult circumstances and a hard start to this campaign.
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Adding 5 more wins to our tally puts nearly an extra 50% to our total number of wins this season so of course fans would be less critical of Puel and not as many would want him out. It would equate to a win pretty much every other game rather than 1 every 3 games, that is a huge difference.

My post is not about league position, it's about % of points dropped (27%!). The facts are we accumulated significantly less points than what we did over any of the past 3 seasons and scored a hell of a lot less goals. Our points tally this season wouldn't have been good enough for anything like 8th in the past three seasons. You simply need to look further than the final league position.
 
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spacedsaint said:
However, this is mostly semantics. The issue I return to is: people enjoy the football more when the style of play is more exciting. We may like winning, but winning with style is numero uno.
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**** me, I just can't leave it - I'm a fool, I know.

Spaced - you've just stated the bleeding obvious and tilted it one sided for your benefit. Winning with style is numero uno... I agree as much as possible to agree, however and here is the debate.... choose one of those (winning/style). What do you choose?
 
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SaintsNumber7 said:
Adding 5 more wins to our tally puts nearly an extra 50% to our total number of wins this season so of course fans would be less critical of Puel and not as many would want him out. It would equate to a win pretty much every other game rather than 1 every 3 games, that is a huge difference.

My post is not about league position, it's about % of points dropped (27%!). The facts are we accumulated significantly less points than what we did over any of the past 3 seasons and scored a hell of a lot less goals. Our points tally this season wouldn't have been good enough for anything like 8th in the past three seasons. You simply need to look further than the final league position.
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Our final postion was strongly influenced by our points haul against the top six, we couldn't match any of them.
 
fatletiss said:
**** me, I just can't leave it - I'm a fool, I know.

Spaced - you've just stated the bleeding obvious and tilted it one sided for your benefit. Winning with style is numero uno... I agree as much as possible to agree, however and here is the debate.... choose one of those (winning/style). What do you choose?
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I have no idea what Spaced is posting as he is on my ignor list (a rare thing), perhaps you could P.M. him or ignor him?
 
fatletiss said:
**** me, I just can't leave it - I'm a fool, I know.

Spaced - you've just stated the bleeding obvious and tilted it one sided for your benefit. Winning with style is numero uno... I agree as much as possible to agree, however and here is the debate.... choose one of those (winning/style). What do you choose?
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You should try sitting on your hands... it may feel like someone else arguing for you...
 
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Archers Road said:
My arse, it has. Take Costa, Willian and Hazard out of that team and it'd be like watching an episode of Bergerac.
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Well that's a bit stupid as you could say take Messi, Suarez and Neymar out of Barcelona and they'd be no where near as brilliant to watch. Obviously if you take the starting front three of any team away theyd be pretty dull.
 
SAINTDON13 said:
Our final postion was strongly influenced by our points haul against the top six, we couldn't match any of them.
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Disagree. We took 1 point from 6 against Hull and Stoke. We lost away to Palace, Swansea and Burnley. We drew at home to Watford and Sunderland and lost at home to West Ham and West Brom.
 
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