Explosion in Manchester
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Exactly this. In my first point to NSIS I bracketed young Muslim
Men within that group of disaffected young men of ethnic background (not limited to Muslims) who have been completely disenfranchised by western society. I would also include lower working class white men in that group.
There's basically **** all that corporate western society does to give them a role, a sense of purpose and belonging and often criticises and blames them for societies ills. And then people wonder why they rebel .....
Statistically, with Islam anyway, the evidence suggest its people in their 20's converting and there are some high profile figures who don't get much attention that do like tony blairs sister in law or the oxford or is it Cambridge? Professor and musicians
The only thing with some of that is the MO of most of those who have committed things lime 7/7 and even the guy from last night. They are graduates or at least attended a university
I don't agree with this at all, I'm afraid. It's a narrative that's being pushed, focusing on small, irrelevant groups.
You hear about NUS reps or random idiots on Tumblr moaning about random crap and it somehow makes the print media.
The reality is a lot closer to the last part of your point, which highlights how difficult it is for a lot of people to build a career.
Higher education is no longer free, it doesn't mean as much and it doesn't get you anywhere near as far.
Kids are pressured relentlessly and told that they'll basically end up on the scrapheap if they don't get a good degree.
Then they need experience on top of it, can't afford to live anywhere and they're called freeloaders by politicians.
Those same politicians enjoyed a much easier and much less expensive system, too.
Apprenticeships are completely different and not really pushed as an alternative.
There's no drive towards areas where there are skill shortages.
Then you have footballers and singers being hailed as heroes, but anyone that tries that route and fails is an unrealistic loser.
If there's a problem with the next generation, then the previous generations caused it.
Nobody wants to accept responsibility for anything any more.
Nobody takes the blame and nobody wants to pay for the important things in society.
If you need to try to claim that from my replies, it shows you're another liar with a weak argument.
Perhaps if they taught them that they need to earn respect and products, rather than this bullshit 'entitled' ideology some of them lazily buy in to, they'd have more desire and ability to take the initiative, rather than sit feeling hard done to.
Depends how far back you want to go. Sitting back expecting life to come to you on a plate in Victorian times would have left you hungry and abused in the workhouse. Go back 70 years and you'd be a POW at best.
I'm not saying they're all like it by any stretch. There are a lot of very bright, very capable young people.
And? It's true. I'm not back tracking, I'm correcting your ****ed up version of it.
Course I am now because it suits your view...Your inconsistency is there for all to see, one act is terrorism and the other isn't, continue to redefine terrorism according to you but that's not how rest of the world define.
Trying to shut down difference of opinion by claiming I am an apologist mean nothing and it doesn't make true either, even if you shout it from the roof top!
Every innocent lives matter not just the ones you see fit!
Oh look, it's another attempt to shift the burden of proof! How unexpected.
No. I haven't said that.
No, it's only there for you to apparently see.
Nobody has tried to redefine terrorism. That's a claim you've invented. My point is about the global exportation of Islamic terrorism. Which claims more countries and more victims with every passing year.
If you don't wish to be labeled an apologist, best not sound like one, eh?
I will walk around with a placard "I condemn" just as you are going to be doing that when state sponsored terrorism happens in Palestine, middle east and Burma and so forth right?
Just like you are not responsible for that, neither am I for this, don't you get this in your head? To claim this just happens with no cause is stupid...everything has a cause and affect and only way it will stop is when people are genuine from both sides and hold people accountable!
Certainly, the opportunity there for graduates doesn't exist as it used to. However that is down to the number of skilled jobs vs the number of graduates nowadays.
I agree that there needs to be more opportunities/help for young people to get into a profession especially with apprenticeships but there also needs to also be a realistic view that sometimes you just don't get your dream job and that sometimes you need to focus on a different career/have to work your way up.
Thinking about it, i think the problem that has afflicted us all is that everyone is too busy making money, where money is for most the end all or be all. The sense of community has gone.