SMC groundsmen gone
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Not as far as I'm aware
I've not dealt with that many, but in those I have I haven't been aware of any ACAS involvement prior to the ET
Just reading the acas website and it says you have to go to acas before any tribunal
Fair enough
The employment lawyer must get on and deal with that without me knowing!
You have to tell them when you're planning on going to tribunal, they come in and say please can you talk to each other and resolve this, everyone says no, the tribunal goes ahead. In unfair dismissal cases like this it's just going through the motions, it will still end up going to the tribunal.
It's almost as pointless as the appeals process. Ehab sacks someone, they appeal, Ehab hears the appeal and says, nah, you're still sacked. Compete waste of time.
Just out of interest here, I dont employ anyone and I know you do, so what is the actual point of ACAS and mediation? Don't unions like the RMT etc all use them a lot?
Just curious.
Big unions don't use them much in my experience
The guidance they issue is useful because showing an employer didn't follow it benefits someone at a tribunal, but the rest doesn't have much, if any, teeth
Snide remark.
So you do have to go to acas first. Glad my memory isn't going just yet. Did you know and just thought you'd make a cheap shot or were you found out?
Reading the website and from past personal experience, it is useful as it tells you if you have a good case. Gives you the belief to continue. I doubt these two have a good case which is why they're going the publicity route
Time for a conspiracy theory that just came to mind. Allams know that SMC is in the wrong and hope to lose court case so that the SMC can be wound up?
Almost certainly pie-in-the-sky but I thought I'd put it out there to be subjected to ridicule.
Almost certainly pie-in-the-sky but I thought I'd put it out there to be subjected to ridicule.
I've never had any experience of them personally, they're basically just mediators, they don't actually decide anything.
In a case like this, going through them is unlikely to achieve anything, it's just a formality, it will still end up going to a tribunal as neither side is going to back down.
They're obviously going to raise the cash they need, so we'll find out how good their case is soon enough.
Eh?
Thought the pitchfork militia had already established their case is good enough and they're innocent?
All that was missing was some actual FACTS, but that's just detail
As normal, we'll get no facts from the club, so we'll just have to wait for the tribunal.
The Tory Liberal Coalition (I think) changed the rules. Before your hearing can be heard at an employment tribunal you have to go to ACAS to see if the differences can be reconciled.
If ACAS fails it goes to a hearing. Having the money to pay your costs if you are not in a union is a reasonable first step before going to ACAS.
Ann is a woman of principal . The Allams are not fit to kiss her feet . Take it you like my Halloween pic .
Yeah I kinda knew they dont decide, they, I guess, mediate and try and get both sides to agree to a settlement before going to court/tribunal?
I thought it was expected you'd do this first, before going the whole hog was all. The 2 fellas seem to be not wanting to do that, and to just have a fight in public, which is of course their right.