Match Day Thread Vs Leicester (away)

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InBiscanWeTrust said:
Is there anyone better to be captain than Hendo? Team have a distinct lack of leaders. Rodgers didn't like a leader, didn't like anyone taller than him either which screwed us over <yikes>. Klopp so far hasn't brought anyone with real leadership qualities and that's not just about being captain and shouting, it's about being able to organise on the pitch during the game, get the team together during periods where team is under pressure etc
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I agree with both, we haven't got any other options but Hendo as captain atm
 
wishiwasinliverpool said:
I'm afraid without a goalkeeper there'd be a free-for-all.

We need someone better than Mignolet who has the ability of a toilet. There may be hope for Karius but he's got good enough to be number 1 yet. We should have tried for Joe Hart in January.

Yes, he's had three windows not two sorry got my figures wrong but in that time all we've managed is Mane, Matip, Karius and Caulker. Big wow.
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I thought Caulker was just a loan to cover Sturridge :huh:
 
wishiwasinliverpool said:
I'm afraid without a goalkeeper there'd be a free-for-all.

We need someone better than Mignolet who has the ability of a toilet. There may be hope for Karius but he's got good enough to be number 1 yet. We should have tried for Joe Hart in January.

Yes, he's had three windows not two sorry got my figures wrong but in that time all we've managed is Mane, Matip, Karius and Caulker. Big wow.
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Don't exaggerate, my dog could never drink out of Mignolet.
 
wishiwasinliverpool said:
I'm afraid without a goalkeeper there'd be a free-for-all.

We need someone better than Mignolet who has the ability of a toilet. There may be hope for Karius but he's got good enough to be number 1 yet. We should have tried for Joe Hart in January.

Yes, he's had three windows not two sorry got my figures wrong but in that time all we've managed is Mane, Matip, Karius and Caulker. Big wow.
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Aaaaargh. No, just no.
 
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Hart is error prone just like Mingolet, he's a decent Keeper nothing more. Please remove heads from arses.

Our team is capable of playing good football, we've seen it this season. This has been a terrible period and it has highlighted the much needed improvements but let's chill here and let Klopp do his job.

3 windows? Two January silly seasons and 1 Summer window. I'm tempted to say he's had one transfer window.

Hopefully we can turn this around and get in the top 4 the are plenty of games to play yet.
 
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Milk of said:
He would have been better than Migs or Karius in goal. Maybe not the long term prospect we need, but "acceptable" for now.
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Being better than Migs or Karius is the bar / level we should be aiming for.

Sure, we want to improve each position and maybe Hart would do that but is he at a level we expect?

It's like owning a skateboard and you get a new job that requires you to have a car so you buy a push bike!
 
Zanjinho said:
Being better than Migs or Karius is the bar / level we should be aiming for.

Sure, we want to improve each position and maybe Hart would do that but is he at a level we expect?

It's like owning a skateboard and you get a new job that requires you to have a car so you buy a push bike!
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Perhaps, but he's a better bet than either Mignolet or Karius and has a lot more experience.
 
Games are running out. When we got the fixtures, Arsenal first game then Tottenham, we won one and drew one. Everyone was optimistic of a strong finish
at the end of the season. Without European football we were playing less game. Where do we finish every one's guess.
 
wishiwasinliverpool said:
I never said I was criticising Klopp, but why aren't they putting in the effort? Something drastic has happened since Christmas. He might not have lost the dressing-room, but that two week retreat in Spain, what was that about? To get them training without distractions? Worked well, didn't it. To heal a rift of some sort between the players? I don't know, of course I'm speculating. Their attitude is poor I agree, but something must be causing that, is all I'm saying.

That and the fact most of them should have been binned off in the summer and in January. God knows why we still have Mignolet and Moreno for instance.

Here are some of the other theories being bandied about:

Loss of confidence - in what?
Fear factor - of what?

And there's another thing: this issue of not turning up against teams in the lower half of the table, it's been a problem for seasons now with different players. It's not just down to this current crop it was happening when Rafa was in charge.

Nor do I buy this almost adamant attitude that we don't spend in January. That was a massive mistake this time around IMO.
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It seems that the more easy the task and the weaker the opposition (on paper) the more we've struggled. The top opponents who are currently flying like Spurs Arsenal and City, we've found it relatively easy. Surely there must be something in this. It cannot be dismissed as coincidence. Either the players don't put in the effort against so called weak opposition (the saint Klopp theory ;) ) or the manager does not have an alternative effective system to tackle teams who simply defend and would be happy with a point (my opinion).

Sturridge has been absent most of the time and if he is not injured why is he not playing? We simply need a Zlatan to unlock tight defences and also to provide a focal point. Who is currently this player in our squad?

It seems to be saying the obvious that we needed new players - in defence as well as in other parts of the pitch. Klopp has had 3 windows to address this and he CHOSE not to. So for people to only blame the players is wrong IMO. When Klopp angrily chastise his players for not following his instructions he is sailing close to the wind. There is a fine line between players not doing what the manager asks and the manager "losing the dressing room". We all know what the consequences of the latter are.

No one can argue with the hard statistics. In his first 56 matches, his record is exactly the same as Rodgers'. And Rodgers did get us a runners up place. Whereas this season we have been out of domestic cups by not putting in decent players to compete in the guise of giving youth a chance. Do the likes of Southampton or the Mancs put youth players in Cups. Losing like winning becomes a habit and it looks like the club is learning this the hard way.
 
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carlthejackal said:
It seems that the more easy the task and the weaker the opposition (on paper) the more we've struggled. The top opponents who are currently flying like Spurs Arsenal and City, we've found it relatively easy. Surely there must be something in this. It cannot be dismissed as coincidence. Either the players don't put in the effort against so called weak opposition (the saint Klopp theory ;) ) or the manager does not have an alternative effective system to tackle teams who simply defend and would be happy with a point (my opinion).

Sturridge has been absent most of the time and if he is not injured why is he not playing? We simply need a Zlatan to unlock tight defences and also to provide a focal point. Who is currently this player in our squad?

It seems to be saying the obvious that we needed new players - in defence as well as in other parts of the pitch. Klopp has had 3 windows to address this and he CHOSE not to. So for people to only blame the players is wrong IMO. When Klopp angrily chastise his players for not following his instructions he is sailing close to the wind. There is a fine line between players not doing what the manager asks and the manager "losing the dressing room". We all know what the consequences of the latter are.

No one can argue with the hard statistics. In his first 56 matches, his record is exactly the same as Rodgers'. And Rodgers did get us a runners up place. Whereas this season we have been out of domestic cups by not putting in decent players to compete in the guise of giving youth a chance. Do the likes of Southampton or the Mancs put youth players in Cups. Losing like winning becomes a habit and it looks like the club is learning this the hard way.
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I think people simply miss the fact that with donkeys like lucas and can playing AND the opposition willing to physically front up AND the game being away that we were always going to do this.

You could tell from the first 5 mins that wijnaldum was in no way up for it and looked really nervy for example. His record away form home is not simply goal scoring is it. great little player with time and space and all that but close him down fast and he folds.
 
carlthejackal said:
It seems that the more easy the task and the weaker the opposition (on paper) the more we've struggled. The top opponents who are currently flying like Spurs Arsenal and City, we've found it relatively easy. Surely there must be something in this. It cannot be dismissed as coincidence. Either the players don't put in the effort against so called weak opposition (the saint Klopp theory ;) ) or the manager does not have an alternative effective system to tackle teams who simply defend and would be happy with a point (my opinion).

Sturridge has been absent most of the time and if he is not injured why is he not playing? We simply need a Zlatan to unlock tight defences and also to provide a focal point. Who is currently this player in our squad?

It seems to be saying the obvious that we needed new players - in defence as well as in other parts of the pitch. Klopp has had 3 windows to address this and he CHOSE not to. So for people to only blame the players is wrong IMO. When Klopp angrily chastise his players for not following his instructions he is sailing close to the wind. There is a fine line between players not doing what the manager asks and the manager "losing the dressing room". We all know what the consequences of the latter are.

No one can argue with the hard statistics. In his first 56 matches, his record is exactly the same as Rodgers'. And Rodgers did get us a runners up place. Whereas this season we have been out of domestic cups by not putting in decent players to compete in the guise of giving youth a chance. Do the likes of Southampton or the Mancs put youth players in Cups. Losing like winning becomes a habit and it looks like the club is learning this the hard way.
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Well said, and you state what the majority are thinking but most of whom will argue against those thoughts with excuses defending Klopp and the players because frankly some don't want to admit there's a problem, some agree, but don't have an answer, yet, although we can sit here pontificating and debating, we have no influence, anyway. It's not down to us.

IMO Klopp is trying to turn bang average into world beaters and none of them can cut the mustard. He got them doing it before Christmas but they haven't been able to keep it up. He's got rid of some of the lemons, Benteke for example, but where are the replacements?

Sturridge: why the hell is he still here if Klopp won't play him? Has Sturridge done a Payet and said he won't play for us any more, forcing us to sell? Not to my knowledge.

Why do we still have the following players: Mignolet (forget the 5 year contract), Lovren, Moreno, Can, Lucas...all useless and frankly, passengers?

If Klopp has been told by the owners to use kids as back up instead of buying experience that's not going to go down well with the fans.

People have said well if that defeat to Leicester isn't a wake-up call...what about the defeats to Southampton, Hull, Burnley...? 2 wins in 12. It's not good enough and there are a lot of impatient fans out there...
 
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