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Why the obsession with finishing 2nd-4th? I think it's ****ing pathetic for grand clubs like Arsenal and Liverpool to aspire to this.

Said it before, but the Champion's League should be for the Champions of each country. If you finish second, third or fourth, you're not a champion, so why should you qualify for the league?
 
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Said it before, but the Champion's League should be for the Champions of each country. If you finish second, third or fourth, you're not a champion, so why should you qualify for the league?

Because they want the best teams in the competition and the second and third best teams in the top leagues are at a completely different level to the winners of things like the Welsh Premier League.
 
Because they want the best teams in the competition and the second and third best teams in the top leagues are at a completely different level to the winners of things like the Welsh Premier League.

They could have a competition just for the Champions. And one for the second, third, fourth best teams and the winners of the League Cup to maintain interest in that competition, and call it the UEFA Cup. Then to make the FA Cup and other Cup competitions attractive to the bigger clubs a competition for Cupwinners and call it the Cupwinners Cup...
 
FA cup winners and league winners for the champions league.

That would liven up a lot.

If you think we have it bad some countries have about half the league in play offs for europa league spots.
 
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They could have a competition just for the Champions. And one for the second, third, fourth best teams and the winners of the League Cup to maintain interest in that competition, and call it the UEFA Cup. Then to make the FA Cup and other Cup competitions attractive to the bigger clubs a competition for Cupwinners and call it the Cupwinners Cup...

Not sure why they scrapped that in the 90s
 
have any actual champions of the premier league won the chapions league.thought man yoooo,liverpoo etc were runners up when theyve won it? and maybe chelski?
 
Man United won the Champions League and the Premier League in 2007/08.

But to answer his point they'd have to win the Champions League the year after they won the Premier League. I haven't checked if they did that, but winning them in the same year isn't his point, unless I misunderstood it.
 
Just hold it there you two while I go and get me popcorn...

I dunno what you mean, this cant even be a debate. We're dealing in facts - for a reigning EPL champion to win the UCL, then the latter has to happen the year following the former.

If he didn't mean that in his question and wanted to know if a team won them both in the same year, then that's a different point. Only onlyme can clarify what he meant with his question.