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Discussion in 'Queens Park Rangers' started by Stroller, Jun 25, 2015.

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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

Poll closed Jun 24, 2016.
  1. Stay in

    56 vote(s)
    47.9%
  2. Get out

    61 vote(s)
    52.1%
  1. Stroller

    Stroller Well-Known Member

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    It wasn't made clear at all, Col. Even Farage was saying we could have a Norway-like arrangement. There is no mandate for Hard Brexit.
     
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  2. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    Having access and being members are two different things.
    Not being in the single market was the backbone of remains argument.
    You'd have had to have been on the moon not to get that voting leave would result in us being out of it.
     
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  3. rangercol

    rangercol Well-Known Member

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    What a ridiculous statement.
    It doesn't justify a response. <doh>
     
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  4. QPR Oslo

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    Next to nothing was clear about what you were voting for by voting Brexit. No leading Leave politician had the same view of it as another, and now one who was Remain is PM in charge of implementing something that was never voted for. There should be a new vote where what the Government's target for negotiation with the EU is clearly laid out for a proper democratic vote on it, prior to triggering Article 50. After is too late. Corbin and all the political party leaders should be encouraging a parliamentary vote now by MP's based on what they individually believe is best for the UK and not what they think the majority of voters in their constuency think - they dont' know that.
     
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    They will because money talks. Do you think the Germans will not want to sell us cars? Silly response.
     
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  6. colognehornet

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    You cannot expect to conduct such a referendum based mostly on immigration from Europe, without some collateral loss. Why should Europeans continue to buy British goods in the same quantities as before if you are sending out the message 'you are not welcome here' ?
     
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  7. ELLERS

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    I can see your concerns Cologne but money will talk in the end. Would the Spanish/French kick out the English who contribute so much to those economies? Answer is no, because it would be detrimental. It will all be worked out and I for one will always have close ties with Europe and have European members of my family. I own a house in France and hopefully it will all continue.
     
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    "You are not welcome here"?

    Another ridiculous statement.
    You're not helping your argument by being so over the top.
     
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    cor blymie Well-Known Member

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    what you're advocating is the boycott of British goods. Do you wonder why so many of us voted the way we did
     
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    It comes over in that way - already European language students are redirecting to Ireland or Malta. Britain's 'welcome culture' has taken a knock through the Brexit decision, and through the reasons people had for voting. It's democratic image in the World has also taken a knock. I am not saying that Europeans will consciously boycott British goods, but if the same product is available from another EU. land then they will take that instead. We are already seeing falling car sales to the EU. and Brexit has not even started yet.
     
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  11. rangercol

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    If that's how they feel then let them do their worst.
    It's time for British people to big up their country.
    We have been a successful trading nation for centuries and if small minded little europeans want to boycott our goods etc bring it on.

    Your responses are indicative of many remainers since we voted to leave....
    Hysterical and over the top.
     
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  12. colognehornet

    colognehornet Well-Known Member

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    Not hysterical Col. Realistic. What Britain is effectively saying is a) We want a divorce. b) We want access to all the best bits of out marriage without any of the responsibilities. and c) If you do not play ball, then we will set ourselves the goal of being as uncomfortable neighbour as possible (TTIP type arrangements, bargain basement economy, off shore tax haven etc. etc.). You cannot do all of this without provoking some kind of reaction.
     
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  13. rangercol

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    As I say......

    Bring it on!
    The EU have dictated to Britain for long enough.
    No longer!

    I'm off to watch the cricket.
     
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  14. colognehornet

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    Pull the other one Col. The Brexiters made a big deal of portraying Britain as being 'dictated to', yet apparently this 6 stone weakling having sand kicked in its face by Brussels is dynamic enough to assert itself on the World stage. The 2 pictures do not add up, and they are based on misinformation. Of all laws passed by the EU. the British voted for them as well - this is a higher ratio than for any other EU. country.
     
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    please enlighten us as to how many refugees Obama let in during his terms? I heard today that in 1 year it was less than 50. How many of you complained then?
    Answers on a postcard.
     
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    As you're a spokesman for the World maybe you can tell me how Britain's democratic image has taken a knock. I can't speak for the World but I can say that for me and the people in my life democracy has spoken. Ignore it at your peril. Not a threat as such just a weary warning about disconnection from the political process for vast swathes of people who felt strongly enough to Brexit. Weasel your way around it all you like, try to subvert it as you may this is what we want. You get what you want then we're ignored and as voter turnout plummets, the smug elite will queue up for Question Time and speak in hushed tones about the "need to fully engage with 'the people', to actually listen to what they're saying to us..."

    We've spoken.
     
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    As opposed to actual TTIP favoured by the EU?
     
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    A lie.
     
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