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Should the UK remain a part of the EU or leave?

  • Stay in

    Votes: 56 47.9%

  • Get out

    Votes: 61 52.1%
  • Total voters
    117
  • Poll closed .
ELLERS said:
Spot on. May is a private person but a well thought out thinker. All the commentators/reports have said that she has done really well.
A few on here have knocked her and some referred to her as 'Vile'. I take those comments as wide of the mark and lack of understanding in the political world.
Give credit where it is due. So far she has done a fab job. :emoticon-0148-yes:
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She's not bothered with consensus or building bridges with the 48%, she just gone for keeping the 52% happy. I think goldie said it, but she didn't really have any other choice as things are so divided- and I tend to agree. I think she's done as well as she could with her hand, especially as she had trump to deal with.

Equally I think farron has played it well too, he's decided he's going to speak for the remainers/single marketeers as no else is going to. They'll be squeezing corbyn from the centre as UKIP squeeze him from the other side. Leave voters seem to hate farron but with those 16 million remain voters up for grabs he doesn't have to woo the other 52% of the country.
 
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ELLERS said:
Spot on. May is a private person but a well thought out thinker. All the commentators/reports have said that she has done really well.
A few on here have knocked her and some referred to her as 'Vile'. I take those comments as wide of the mark and lack of understanding in the political world.
Give credit where it is due. So far she has done a fab job. :emoticon-0148-yes:
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What's been fab about it? I think she's a ****.
 
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TootingExcess said:
She's not bothered with consensus or building bridges with the 48%, she just gone for keeping the 52% happy. I think goldie said it, but she didn't really have any other choice as things are so divided- and I tend to agree. I think she's done as well as she could with her hand, especially as she had trump to deal with.

Equally I think farron has played it well too, he's decided he's going to speak for the remainers/single marketeers as no else is going to. They'll be squeezing corbyn from the centre as UKIP squeeze him from the other side. Leave voters seem to hate farron but with those 16 million remain voters up for grabs he doesn't have to woo the other 52% of the country.
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Spot on about Farron. The Lib Dems would gain massively from a general election now.
 
ELLERS said:
Fallon is irrelevant. I have just watched him on the Andrew Marr show and thought what a wet wimp he is. He is another no hoper like Milliband and Corbyn.
Typical BBC how many more 'remainers' can you get on one show?
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Irrelevant? He's representing the majority view - the wish to stay in the Single Market.
 
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ELLERS said:
The bloke is a wimp who will not make a decision and just waits to criticize others. May is bold and can make a call, sadly he won't. All he is doing is trying to get on the back of something to win a few votes.
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I don't think there's much to him but I don't see what call he can make. If he was any good he'd be bigging up the Lib Dems massively as the anti-Brexit party and gaining a lot of support from that.
 
There is no way that May can satisfy both the 52% and the 48%, although that would be the aim in any democracy. However, they have no mandate as to exactly what Nexit will look like. It was more or less obvious during the Brexit campaign that leaving the EU. would involve closer relationships to the USA, but it was never said explicitly. Does May have a mandate for fawning with Trump ? Does she have a mandate for some kind of mini TTIP arrangement with them ? Is this what all those flag waving Brexiters wanted, not to mention Labourites who voted Brexit ? Does she have a mandate for turning Britain into a kind of bargain basement society, and a dumping ground for American products which do not come up to present European environmental and safety standards ? She is approaching the USA. like a newly homeless person who needs a new home quickly - is there any 'sovereignty' in that ?
 
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Stroller said:
Irrelevant? He's representing the majority view - the wish to stay in the Single Market.
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On what do you base this comment?
It was made completely clear, by both sides in the run up to the vote that a vote to leave would mean we would have to leave membership of the single market.
Time after time we were told by remainers and brexiters alike that this would happen.
Those who contributed to the largest mandate in our history knew this would be the case.
 
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ELLERS said:
The bloke is a wimp who will not make a decision and just waits to criticize others. May is bold and can make a call, sadly he won't. All he is doing is trying to get on the back of something to win a few votes.
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All these politicians from the liberal left who are criticising May's performance and comments with Trump would never, ever say the things they are advocating if any of them (heaven help us) were in her position. They would have to look, as all leaders have to, at the bigger picture.
People like Farron can come out with all this guff because they'll never be in May's position.
 
rangercol said:
On what do you base this comment?
It was made completely clear, by both sides in the run up to the vote that a vote to leave would mean we would have to leave membership of the single market.
Time after time we were told by remainers and brexiters alike that this would happen.
Those who contributed to the largest mandate in our history knew this would be the case.
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Sorry Col. but this is rubbish. Boris Johnson maintained, up to the last minute, that Britain would still have free market access, and many voted on this assumption.
 
colognehornet said:
Sorry Col. but this is rubbish. Boris Johnson maintained, up to the last minute, that Britain would still have free market access, and many voted on this assumption.
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How do you know they did?
This country has been very wary of it's EU membership for as long as I can remember. It's always been an EU sceptical nation.
I believe that the vote to leave would have been much larger if it hadn't been for the ridiculous scare stories the public were bombarded with leading up to the vote.
Also, we may still have free or very nearly free access to the single market when the final deal is thrashed out.
 
Everytime May does something good the same old remoaners cannot accept it.
Example as someone said today on Andrew Marr show "May went to the US and changed Trumps mind on NATO" We should give her credit for this yet she gets called "vile' by some i'll imformed people.
As for Farron? I will knick someone elses comment's "May gets an audience with Trump. Fallon and Corbyn cant even get a meeting with a local mayor". The time when our country and polititions should speak with one voice we get the usual troublemakers putting our country down.
 
ELLERS said:
The bloke is a wimp who will not make a decision and just waits to criticize others. May is bold and can make a call, sadly he won't. All he is doing is trying to get on the back of something to win a few votes.
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<laugh> Bold? If she was bold she would have condemned Trump's travel ban when she was repeatedly asked, rather than refusing to answer and then having number 10 put out a press release in the middle of the night.
 
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rangercol said:
How do you know they did?
This country has been very wary of it's EU membership for as long as I can remember. It's always been an EU sceptical nation.
I believe that the vote to leave would have been much larger if it hadn't been for the ridiculous scare stories the public were bombarded with leading up to the vote.
Also, we may still have free or very nearly free access to the single market when the final deal is thrashed out.
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Even in the unlikely event that Britain does have access to the free market, what makes you think that the public there will still buy your goods ? You are saying to them, in effect, we want your money but we don't want you. What intelligent business man would think of insulting his best customers in the hope of later replacing them ?
 
Stroller said:
<laugh> Bold? If she was bold she would have condemned Trump's travel ban when she was repeatedly asked, rather than refusing to answer and then having number 10 put out a press release in the middle of the night.
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Stroller If someone sees white you would say it's black.
 
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Stroller said:
<laugh> Bold? If she was bold she would have condemned Trump's travel ban when she was repeatedly asked, rather than refusing to answer and then having number 10 put out a press release in the middle of the night.
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She received the information at a different time and all the facts were not in place. She waited like she does and made a decision, which she did
 
colognehornet said:
Sorry Col. but this is rubbish. Boris Johnson maintained, up to the last minute, that Britain would still have free market access, and many voted on this assumption.
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We will have to wait and see on that. I believe like Boris that the EU will want a good deal. Why hurt each other? German car manufacturers won't accept it.
 
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Stroller said:
<laugh> Bold? If she was bold she would have condemned Trump's travel ban when she was repeatedly asked, rather than refusing to answer and then having number 10 put out a press release in the middle of the night.
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Also I will point this out because I think this needs to be said:
How many of you anti-Trump experts on here ever posted about the killings that Obama has on his hands?
You all seem to moan when Trump puts on a travel ban (which I do not agree with). Yet how many of you posted about Obama bombing and killing people in the middle east every single day of his 2 terms. That is a fact! Innocent victims since 2008 killed due to drones and other bombings (every day). Where were all these shocked people then?
Answers on a postcard
 
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