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  1. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    I liken it more to a cult (Hitler most certainly borrowed from this idea). He knows he has the cultists...he's given them the nightmare scenarios and convinced them he's the saviour. He can call the sky green and they have to believe him. It's self protection..to doubt him, even once is to doubt their own decision making.

    Which is why the media hast to blockade anyone but official spokesman from being on their shows. Let as Mito says Fox be the cult infomercial. The rest just have to record and dispute every official announcement. He's going to call them liars anyway so nothing to lose by being aggressive in their reporting and investigations. The cultists won't be swayed but it'll force him into ever more ridiculous positions..

    He'll back himself into a corner eventually. Of course if the cult analogy is followed through we'll all have to drink the nuclear koolaid lol..the cult leaders go to solution ..
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    guys trump is no worse than w bush.

    w bush went to war, lied astoundingly and STILL got re-elected despite spending most of his time on a ranch or playing golf!

    trump is going to have a great time and so are all the oligarchs and business men and in 4 years either the amaericans will have a viable candidate they like or not and will pick trump or x... its that simple.

    when the americans picked w bush (the worst president since nixon at least) a second time it proved how silly the system was.

    Ignore the rest.. watch for filibustering unitl nov 2018 and then if the yanks are serious about reining him in they will put a blue house or senate in.

    the biggest danger in yankland is not trump but the 2 year period of zero checks and balances IF the republicans in the house and senate line up and do everything he twaddles on about.
     
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  3. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    **** me sideways - they're still talking about Trident as 'Britain's independent nuclear deterrent. <doh>

    No wonder the Shermans know what went wrong with the test ****ing missile - they own the launch codes and the satellites tracking system (don't take my word for it - it's in the House of Commons Library as an answer to a select committee). It's nothing but the most expensive (£80bn and rising) star-spangled cock extension, and one we can only use when Uncle Sam tells us we can, and while he watches.

    We could build aircraft carriers and REALLY give the NHS £350m a week extra if we ditched this nonsense. Special Relationship my arse - you don't see the Frogs or Krauts buying this malfunctioning dildo.
     
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  4. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    of course they do. Anyone in Britain who thinks the UK owns any satellites is deluded. the UK are getting away form their only european allies who launch form french Guyana. trident is literally an american deterrent to the russians.

    the same can be said of the nato that trump foolishly mouths on about. that is 90% advanced bases for missile shields of the us not any protection to any european state

    the REALITY of nato is the european states get boned while russian tanks roll over them and then us decides what to do.

    BTW the only aircraft carriers that were mooted were mooted in partnership with france... hmmmm... again boned.

    having a nucelar missile is nice but you are right it is a cock waving excerise.
     
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  5. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Hmmm.

    UK contributes 8.7% of the budget to ESA. While tories like to cut stuff, leaving the Union isn't an automatic opt out of the ESA. Canada is a contributor.

    The New carriers are being built..albeit with issues about what will actually fly off them. I believe you are talking about the theoretical proposal that French jets could use our carriers until we actually put our own on them? Leaving the EU isn't going to make that more or less likely..(always unlikely in my opinion)

    And Carriers are a projection of global power (or were..not so much as 30 years ago) if you are someone that thinks the UK should spend less time involving itself in global conflicts then carriers aren't really necessary. They aren't for domestic coastal defence.

    Same with Nukes Frankly. It's why I've never been bothered about having an independent missile deployment system.

    The only country likely to use missiles against us unilaterally is NK and quite frankly their programme is a sham to anyone but their immediate neighbours.

    Greater risk will be rogue devices which if we find a country is behind we can still fly or sail to that country and nuke with other deployment systems.

    Since the reality is its the US and Russia who continue to keep the balance of mutual destruction. So having our own is pointless unless someone can show me how we benefit in other ways from the Yanks.
     
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  6. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    we will see.......

    may wants to leave a lot of stuff BUT there is a case that a lot of people in ESA may just say well F you and sidline in this.

    The thing about carriers is you need something to carry. The eurofight is obsolete v the american jets and the joint strike fighter seems to be delayed.carrier are required still. you cannot really project real power without them. sealth flying form long distance is fine but the job of finding them and fighters baes to fly from is not easy.

    The fact is the Uk doesn't par se need carriers barring the falklands does it. its got bases. The us need carriers to dominate the pacific. etc

    The thing however about missiles is the ability to rattle a sabre and put the russians in their box. its just about being able to strike back. india wanted some north korea badly wants them etc etc.. but its all to be heard and taken seriously

    If Uk wants to be a top table power it has to rattle the sabre. What that really means i nthe end is living off the scraps of us interests as long a the interests are shared.
     
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  7. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Just out of interest? Not just aimed at you Mito? Is there any real benefit to being a top table military power?

    I mean half the G8 doesn't have carriers, others outside g8 do..same with missile deployed nukes..

    All of the conflicts we've involved ourselves in since the falklands have been troops on the ground supporting the Yanks and or UN. We are a sidekick. Surely we should just specialise our military to be the sidekick.
     
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  8. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    No idea <laugh>

    I think in general what you can see is that the US are worried about the EU and trump is playing his rle as top of the hawk pile in sewing as much division as he can in it in the US interests

    The Russians are only at the top table due to nukes and size. they are probably hollow enough. The chinese don't seem to care all that much but push their agenda differently

    Really uk power is linked to us power pure and simple so really it more about ensuring the yanks need us rather than push us around. you are right we are a side kick and sould only ever be a side kick in the type of stuff that goes around these days

    As I said. Uk developments like challenger ii and euro fighter could well be obsolete compared to the yanks but are usefull v the rest. What are the uk instests abroad? trade and the commonwealth or the us?

    i don't know.
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    I think the thing is, we've got a lot of islands around the world, like the Falklands. Some in Asia even, and the current Chinese government are very imperialistic laying claim to everything.

    All these little islands around the globe probably don't contribute much, but if we lose them forcibly Britain will look like a country that can be bullied.

    More important than that though, this past year has shown can't rely on the US. We have a new president you licks Putin's ass and the previous president was very hesitant to act when Russia took a chunk of land from Ukraine, a country that was quickly becoming Western.

    Just like Britain in WWII was willing to sacrifice the safety of the colonies for Britain's safety. In a major war the US would sacrifice Europe to protect itself.

    They're not going to look after us, we need to look after ourselves. Did they help in anyway (besides intelligence) during the Falklands?

    No. We can't rely on America for help in any war that doesn't involve them. (Yet you can guarantee they will want Britain's assistance in any war they fight)
     
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  11. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    don't contribute anything to be frank you mean.

    most of those are air base locations, they are not worth jack to anyone without an airfoce to run form them.

    what bomber does the uk have since vulcan.......

    I agree to the us europe is nothing more than a peace time market and a buffer zone. they only hold german and polish bases for early warning systems and stage one missile defence screen.
     
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  12. Thus Spake Zarathustra

    Thus Spake Zarathustra GC Thread Terminator

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    I see Comey will stay on as FBI Director under Trump. 'For services rendered', no doubt. Wonder how much communication went between the two before the election that could ever be proved. I'm sure future generations will find out.
     
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  13. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Bet interesting to see what happens to the russian investigation now.

    See the flint inquiry has been binned.
     
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  14. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    Who cares about poisoned water anyway. Americans first.. as long as they are not in michigan or however you spell that posioned state.

    The voted red for trump too... Ha ha.
     
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  15. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    Anyone seen this row between Piers Morgan and Ewan McGregor? Like Wolves arguing the merits of veganism lol.

    One a declared misogynist who's lips are attached permanently to the orange sexual predators arse and the other a toady to a Polish *****phile....

    The words "Woman's Rights" shouldn't come out of either mouth!
     
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  16. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    I didn't realise E. McG was so bad, don't know anything about him outside acting. Piers Morgan is a total slimeball though. I'm amazed he still gets jobs. Does ANYONE like Piers Morgan? Such a despicable human being, never heard anyone say anything positive about him.
     
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  17. DirtyFrank

    DirtyFrank Well-Known Member

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    He's not really bad per se ...just worked with and fawned over Roman Polanski..said how sad it was when he got arrested again last extradition attempt. How he was a great sweet guy. Idolising a guy who anally raped a 13 year old girl trusted to his care maybe makes any future stand on women's rights a little hollow....
     
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  18. LuisDiazgamechanger

    LuisDiazgamechanger Dribbles

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    Trump to Order Mexican Border Wall and Curtail Immigration
    WASHINGTON — President Trump on Wednesday will order the construction of a Mexican border wall — the first in a series of actions this week to crack down on immigrants, including slashing the number of refugees who can resettle in the United States and blocking Syrians and others from “terror-prone” nations from entering, at least temporarily.
    During an appearance at the Department of Homeland Security on Wednesday, Mr. Trump plans to sign an executive order to direct federal funds to be shifted toward the building of a wall on the southern border, a signature promise of his campaign. He has argued that doing so is vital to gaining control over the illegal flow of immigrants into the United States.
    “Big day planned on NATIONAL SECURITY tomorrow,” Mr. Trump wrote on Twitter on Tuesday night. “Among many other things, we will build the wall!”
    This executive order will be signed on the day that Mexico’s foreign minister, Luis Videgaray, arrives in Washington to prepare for the visit of President Enrique Peña Nieto of Mexico, who is to meet with Mr. Trump at the end of the month. He will be among the first foreign leaders to meet the new president.
    Mr. Trump is also expected to target legal immigrants as early as this week, White House officials said, by halting a decades-old program that grants refuge to the world’s most vulnerable people as he begins the process of drastically curtailing it.
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    He is considering a policy that would temporarily freeze admissions of refugees from Syria and other majority-Muslim nations, and halve the number of displaced people who can be resettled on American soil. This would effectively bar the entry of people from Muslim countries — including Afghanistan, Iraq, Somalia and Syria — and might prioritize the admission of those who are Christian religious minorities.
    The plan is in line with a ban on Muslim immigrants that Mr. Trump proposed during his campaign, arguing that such a step was warranted given concerns about terrorism. He later said he wanted to impose “extreme vetting” of refugees from Syria and other countries where terrorism was rampant, although the Obama administration had already instituted strict screening procedures for Syrian refugees that were designed to weed out anyone who posed a danger.
    White House officials described the actions on the condition of anonymity on Tuesday to avoid pre-empting the planned announcement. Mr. Trump is also considering slashing, to 50,000 from 110,000, the number of refugees who could be resettled in the United States this year, they said.
    The expected actions drew strong criticism from immigrant advocates and human rights groups, which called them discriminatory moves that rejected the American tradition of welcoming immigrants of all backgrounds.
    http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...l-immigration/ar-AAmd3Sn?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=iehp
     
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  19. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    this will go well



    The man tipped to be Donald Trump's ambassador to the European Union has told the BBC the single currency "could collapse" in the next 18 months.

    Professor Ted Malloch said he would "short the euro" - taking a market position which bets on the value of the currency falling.

    He also said Britain could agree a "mutually beneficial" free trade deal with America in as little as 90 days.

    And that it was best for the US if Britain executed a "clean" Brexit.

    .....

    should we take the beads and sell them the island then lads? 90 days to do a trade deal <laugh> this guy will go down well with EU i'm sure and shows further evidence of trump and his backers wanting to break the EU for american interests
     
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  20. Milk not bear jizz

    Milk not bear jizz Grasser-In-Chief

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    Y'know, I said previously that assassinating Trump would achieve nothing because Pence was probably worse just more diplomatic.

    Now I just want Trump gone. The man is pure evil and is going to ruin the whole planet. For the sake of embetterment of the human race someone needs to feed him lead.

    He's the only elected leaders of a Western nation I've ever thought warrented assassination. Imagine how much better the 40's would have been if one of the attempts on Hitler succeeded.
     
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