Off Topic The Politics Thread

Really? Give me strength

 

Oh come on. Goldie's famous for his objectivity.

 

I'm rapidly coming round to the idea that Brexit negotiations should be left to Farage and Boris. Unfortunately, there is no chance of Farage being given that responsibility and Boris clearly doesn't want it. If however they could be persuaded to do their duty by the Country, they could then get on with it and appease their supporters. They also wouldn't have anyone else to blame if (Nb 'If' not 'When') it all goes tits up.

 

Can't help with the strength - have you tried spinach? - but it's a fact that there was real concern from government that Rogers had gone native. This reported on the BBC and Sky

 

Thank the Lord for your impartiality, Stan, to redress it

 

Not paranoia, but extreme caution - these being the most important negotiations at this level in our lifetimes.

 

The extreme right don't hold the disdain for working voters that the militant end of Labour do. Emily Thornberry's nose-in-the-air tweet about the football supporting white van man who had an England flag at his window was a classic. Miliband sacked her, but Corbyn made her shadow foreign secretary. They're all out of touch, I wonder whether any of them ever leave North London.

 

And as usual he is 100% correct

 

You won't find me sticking up for any of the Labour mob Goldie. The extreme right is almost indistinguishable from the extreme left in that the ends always justifies the means, they are both about ideology rather than people.

 

Based on your rationale (bias?), if Miliband sacked her, they cannot "all" be out of touch.

 

They're all out of touch, but some are more out of touch than others

The moderates in the Labour Party are beginning to see what the electorate want, but that won't help for 2020 unless Corbyn falls on his sword. Can't see it happening

 

Depends what you mean by the extreme right. I suspect Nutall will be more in tune with many Labour voters than Corbyn or McDonnell

 

If I've learned anything from the last election, referendum, US election etc it's that no party can rely on a core vote any more. Seems to me that this old left/right politics of the C20th is redundant, but we are still trapped in its vocabulary and structures, still got the same old parties.

 

I've read a suggestion that we might be seeing our politics change from the right/left paradigm and morphing into libertarian vs authoritarian strands. I can understand it, and you can guess where I sit on that spectrum.

 

Yes, some truth. It's bizarre seeing a Russian president being accused of influencing a US Election to bring in a Republican president who is more extreme than most Republican senior party members are comfortable with. It's gone full circle

 

Never sit on a spectrum. You can get a wide range of disorders

 

Let's hope so, we are badly in need of some kind of political re-alignment in this country. I have little idea how I would vote if there was a general election tomorrow.

 

That-a-boy! Now you're starting to sound like Hitchens P.

 

Authoriberal?

 

I have you down as a Tory.