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The Norton Cat said:
I agree that it doesn't improve the game and I'm not saying its right. In at least some of the countries where that attitude towards it exists, there have been attempts to stamp it out, as I understand it. Its not like its officially condoned by the footballing authorities but it seems to be considered that its worth the risk of being punished due to the benefits you get from it. Even the best referees will be taken in sometimes and retrospective punishments are unlikely to extend as far as changing the results of matches because of the anarchy that could lead to. So, as long as there is the slightest chance of gaining an advantage there will always be some players willing to risk the punishments.
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I know you're not actually condoning it, just presenting a balanced viewpoint.

Tell you what though, if they did go so far as to deduct points for it then it'd be a very brave player that would continue to dive. It's like Full Metal Jacket, Private Pyle can take the personal insults and punishments to an extent but when the whole group gets punished for his mistakes is when it really hits home.

To me, clubs being hit with real sanctions for cheating players would force a dramatic shift from clubs passively encouraging diving to making damn sure that none of their players ever dives and I think we can all agree that would be better for the current and future state of our sport.
 
SAFC Nacho said:
I know you're not actually condoning it, just presenting a balanced viewpoint.

Tell you what though, if they did go so far as to deduct points for it then it'd be a very brave player that would continue to dive. It's like Full Metal Jacket, Private Pyle can take the personal insults and punishments to an extent but when the whole group gets punished for his mistakes is when it really hits home.

To me, clubs being hit with real sanctions for cheating players would force a dramatic shift from clubs passively encouraging diving to making damn sure that none of their players ever dives and I think we can all agree that would be better for the current and future state of our sport.
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Actually, points deductions might work quite well. I hadn't thought of that. I was just thinking along the lines of cancelling out any goals scored as a result of diving, which would be a daft thing to do.

Clubs would demand that the FA or whoever could prove beyond doubt that their player had dived though. You might just end up with a Snodgrass-esque "sorry, I was trying to avoid the tackle" and the whole thing gets bogged down in a grey area again. You'd have to have willingness on the part of the clubs to stamp it out too.
 
wheres sweden said:
you know its nothing to do with being a mans man ,do you cheat ? to win if so whats the point , says a lot about peoples character if one resorts to cheating and those who accept it ,who do you remember from man utd who dived in the 70s,80s ,sorry santa you are a fool, its 100% cheating and you endorse it ,well done you.
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Ok cake stand, it's probably best we make some sort of colouring in thread for you, as clearly you're not blessed with even the most basic conversational skills.

Men were men.
 
Santa Tel said:
Ok cake stand, it's probably best we make some sort of colouring in thread for you, as clearly you're not blessed with even the most basic conversational skills.

Men were men.
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So tel who can you name as a diver in the utd teams from the 70s,80s ,..........
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yes i know ,its a gift.
 
wheres sweden said:
So tel who can you name as a diver in the utd teams from the 70s,80s ,..........
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yes i know ,its a gift.
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When Brian Clough did his cruciate, didn't our very own Bob Stokoe (playing for Bury at the time, obvs) stand over him and accuse him of feigning injury? If there were no instances of players diving or pretending to be injured in the 1960s, why would Stokoe have thought that Clough was pretending?
 
come on norton its now like a plague ,its so wide spread but it has to be dealt with,do the customers want to see all these antics if so go to the wrestling or a panto
 
SAFC Nacho said:
I know you're not actually condoning it, just presenting a balanced viewpoint.

Tell you what though, if they did go so far as to deduct points for it then it'd be a very brave player that would continue to dive. It's like Full Metal Jacket, Private Pyle can take the personal insults and punishments to an extent but when the whole group gets punished for his mistakes is when it really hits home.

To me, clubs being hit with real sanctions for cheating players would force a dramatic shift from clubs passively encouraging diving to making damn sure that none of their players ever dives and I think we can all agree that would be better for the current and future state of our sport.
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Nothing passive about it though! They train it on the continent and the pro coaches at u11 were training it last season for one of the teams in my sons league. Teaching kids how to fall over and look like they'd been caught.

Annoys the hell out of me.
 
wheres sweden said:
come on norton its now like a plague ,its so wide spread but it has to be dealt with,do the customers want to see all these antics if so go to the wrestling or a panto
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It is frustrating and I don't particularly like it. However, whether the public want to see it or not seems to depend on the football culture you were brought up in. In Britain, we don't like it. In places where the ability to deceive the referee is considered to be a positive thing there may not be so much demand from the public to stamp diving out. Any moves to eradicate diving have to be worldwide or you risk the game diverging and different versions of football developing in different places.
 
wheres sweden said:
So tel who can you name as a diver in the utd teams from the 70s,80s ,..........
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yes i know ,its a gift.
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Nope, I was born in 1984 so anything sort of pre-90 I'd have trouble remembering.

Regardless of this, every team, in the modern game has had it's divers... I'm glad it has you twisted up like a pretzel in front of a computer though, nothing makes me happier on this cold, damp day. <laugh>
 
A fact I've just raised on another thread seems fitting here.

Stooey logic: Player dives - CHEAT SPOILING THE GAME!!!

Stooey logic: Mourinho has little rant on camera - SPOILING THE GAME!!!

Stooey logic: Sunderland run completely irresponsibly and spend well outside of their means - tumbleweed rolls across Norfolk.
 
Cannot wait until you come on here crying about how you dropped points because of being on the receiving end ,it is/has spoilt our game regardless of your silly views ,my last question is about Ashley Young ,he was one of the worst culprits but i have noticed of late he has vastly changed ,any reason that
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wheres sweden said:
Cannot wait until you come on here crying about how you dropped points because of being on the receiving end ,it is/has spoilt our game regardless of your silly views ,my last question is about Ashley Young ,he was one of the worst culprits but i have noticed of late he has vastly changed ,any reason that
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Men were men, Stooey.

Norfolk tumbleweed.

Pretzel.
 
Angry Cake Stand <laugh>

It's just a person falling over Stooey, don't work yourself up into a frenzy, there's more important things on your agenda surely?

I'm sure Dot down the community centre could do with some help with the Nativity?
 
Santa Tel said:
Angry Cake Stand <laugh>

It's just a person falling over Stooey, don't work yourself up into a frenzy, there's more important things on your agenda surely?

I'm sure Dot down the community centre could do with some help with the Nativity?
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I will mention you ,we need a donkey, ............. thinking about three wise men and a virgin how do you manage that in Manchester
 
This week i av mainly bin doin Tel ups wiv a pancake boy, good lad off you go then .
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Desperate Stooey. Weak.

You've done nowt but cry and moan like a slut all through this thread, you're credabity now is akin to Rolf Harris applying for the presenters job for Children In Need.

Merry Christmas.
 
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