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Off Topic Zero emissions?

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  1. Hefty fullback

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    I've read and watched crap about this and that over the years and I've come to the conclusion I don't give a fúck anymore <laugh>

    I loved driving my diesel land rover over rare plants whilst showering them in smog and thrashing my 3 litre BMW up cùntry lanes .
    Fook em ;)
    Especially the whingey whiney green cùnts.
    <laugh>
     
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    For me Hydrogen is the way forward, you will never eliminate pollution and particularly THC, the Total Hydro Carbons are a huge issue, take for instance your vehicle tyres, they give off THC's.
    Anything we manufacture will have an element of pollution. To blame motor vehicles which go through strict homologation is wrong.

    Charity is a failure of government and so is pollution in the first instance
     
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    When politicians say we are reducing emissions , what they really mean is that we are mostly exporting them.

    Hundreds of thousands of tons of coal are burned every year in China, India and elsewhere to make things that are used in the West but no longer made here.

    Then we call ourselves cleaner, and lecture those countries on their emissions. Without a blush!

    Solar panels are indeed an amalgam of many metals, some rare, of silica and coal. This requires an enormous amount of mining. This is all melted together , often in coal furnaces. No lesser figure than Michael Moorer, ultra green and left wing film maker has made a documentary on this, with a fellow environmentalist. Worth watching, though mainstream outlets won't show it. You can find it on YouTube. To be fair to them, they started with the aim of promoting Solar Energy but were so shocked at the industry they ended up exposing a lot of dodgy dealing.

    But they are still going to be part of the future, including an absolutely enormous farm being built in Morocco, from which an undersea cable to Devon will provide 3gw to the UK by about 2026. More later.

    Wind is obviously expensive, but it is getting cheaper, and once the storage of energy tech develops more solutions, will be genuinely useful. It is now of course, and currently provides the bulk of the almost 20% that renewables give us. .

    Nowt as cheap and relatively clean as gas though. We should be making far more use of what we have, instead of shipping it in .

    But all energy has a price. And unless those objecting to it are prepared to live in houses which are sometimes cold and sometimes without electricity, it has to be paid. In all its forms.
     
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    Hydrogen is a handy possibility, especially in controlled areas, but it has two big drawbacks.

    It does not occur naturally and costs a lot of energy to make it. It is also very volatile, and will be completely unsuitable for houses, without completely new pipework, and other equipment. It is ten times more flammable than natural gas.
     
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    I don't know that much about it, but I have just had a new (gas) boiler installed, and the gas engineers reckon hydrogen in due course will work. They mocked heat pumps having installed a few.
     
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    I was referring to vehicle use. As l said anything manufactured will create pollutants and successful manufacturering comes with penalties in emissions.
     
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    Moving away from cars we live on an island with ocean all around with tides. There must be some way to effectively and economically harness that power to generate electricity.
     
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    Aye Hydrogen will work, but it really is volatile and expensive to make. It's true it doesn't have emissions, but the power used to make it does!
     
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    There are a couple of schemes underway to look at this.

    As you say, the tides are there, and they are always there. But it is a difficult engineering task, and there are people already claiming that it will have severe effects on marine life in the area.

    Long way down the line I'd say, as the money is being put elsewhere, public and private.
     
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    There is an experimental place in Scotland looking into wave and wind power where companies can put their projects through test conditions for their research teams.
    As @rowley said wave power has a lot of ironing out if it has a future.
     
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    But if they get ironed out won’t they be too flat to be any use ?
     
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    and correct answer.
     
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