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"You've just got to be patient and go for the early goal"

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by No Kane No Gain, Sep 4, 2012.

  1. Chirpy rides again

    Chirpy rides again Active Member

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    I stand corrected PNP. Hope he does have a good season, but he is patently unsuited to the lone striker role which would suggest that once Ade is fit he goes back to the bench.
     
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  2. Ghoddle10

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    should never be our lone striker, and I wish we had sold him and got in Carroll, who is a far better lone striker than him
     
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  3. Spurm

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    There was still a problem with this season. All his goals came in about 9-10 matches. He scored something like 3 hatricks and the 5 against Wigan. If he had spread those goals out over the season it would've been even better. He still had barren runs despite the 24 goals.
     
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  4. PowerSpurs

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    I don't think you're taking AVBs tactics into account GH10: I think we are aiming at a high up the pitch passing game similar to Spain's which means the requirements on the 'lone striker' change from winning the ball from crosses and punts/holding it up to being involved in short-passing patterns with advanced midfield players who are in close support. The 'lone-striker' therefore needs to be able to run and pass which is why Spain sometimes preferred Fabregas to Torres and Defoe will work better than Carroll.
     
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  5. notsosmartspur

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    Never been any different, the majority of his goals come in good spells, then you get nothing for similar periods. JD plays a percentages game, if you have enough shots some will go in. This is the premise for all strikers I know, but not to shoot at every single opportunity. I've always said this about JD's goals, people rave when he scores 20 in a season for example, but its the significance of the goals. 5 in one game, the 4th in a game already won 3-1, the consolation in a 2-1 loss, or scores first, then misses a hatful, we concede at the end and draw. Yes he's scored, but in the main its done Spurs no good. When was the last brace to beat a Manchester club?
     
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  6. Ghoddle10

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    You're right I'm not PS, cos I'm fed up with him and his tactics as well :azn:

    A few weeks ago it was just Levy at fault, for me, but now I'm disillusioned with AVB as well, and for all I know he actually thought JD could play the lone role because of his 'super system', hilarious and tragic at the same time, if true.

    No way will Defoe be better than Carroll as a lone striker. If he persists with this dopey idea of JD leading the line, and we continue to get rubbish results then it will confirm to me he is clueless when it comes to the Prem.
     
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  7. PowerSpurs

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    Yes - it is very odd, his goals rarely affect our points total, especially against the top clubs
     
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  8. PowerSpurs

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    Give him a chance GH10!
     
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  9. totsfan

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    we've only played three games,your sounding like a mouser, thay want BR out already.
     
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  10. Spurlock

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    It is bad when your own people do not give you a chance....infact it is despicable.
     
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  11. Spurlock

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    Correct me if I'm wrong but did you not say a few days ago that WHL is better off half empty than to be full of people booing the team?

    I happen to agree with that sentiment especially since if is 3 games in.

    I think the boo boys would love to remind you of the irony in your highlighted comment GH.since there is no real difference between the outcome of both actions and that is a lack of support for Spurs..
     
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  12. BajanSpur

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    Not if AVB reappraises his defensive set-up for home games.
     
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  13. humanbeingincroydon

    humanbeingincroydon Well-Known Member

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    Dembele and Parker/Sandro is a more dynamic pairing, unlike two of Parker/Sandro/Livermore which is more defensive.
     
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  14. BajanSpur

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    I can't understand why so much negativity is being directed at J Defoe.

    It looks like he's damned if he trys to score and damned even more when he does score some goals.

    For crying out load he is still a Spurs player. He has always been a striker (ever since his days on the marshes) and he has always shown courage.

    He is one of only two (or maybe three) 'out and out' strikers that we have. To dishearten him at this stage, from doing what he does (sometimes very well), will surely be detrimental to all.
     
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  15. BajanSpur

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    I agree totally Croyden., I just think striking partnership is needed.
     
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  16. humanbeingincroydon

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    Porto's line-up in the Europa League final was...

    Sapunaru Rolando Otamendi Pereira

    Guarin Fernando Moutinho

    Hulk Falcao Verela​

    ...so based on this, the like-for-like Spurs line-up would be...

    Walker Kaboul Vertonghen BAE

    Dembele Parker Sigurdsson

    Dempsey Adebayor Bale​

    Looking at that, a key component is missing - nobody is in the Moutinho role. Sigurdsson and Dembele can contribute, now question about that, but can they keep things ticking over in the way Moutinho would, or for that matter Modric or VDV? There's options in that position, though - Huddlestone when he's match fit, and Carroll has showed composure in the Europa League campaign last season so could feature given he's in the first team squad this season.

    However, we seem overloaded on the right side of midfield - Dembele, Sandro, and Livermore (as well as Luongo) can play there, which feels like one player too many.
     
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  17. BajanSpur

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    Yes., I see what your saying Croydon., but before we can compare Europa league final teams to ours., We need to win a few points in the English Premier League., Which is an entirely different kettle of fish. With all due respect.
     
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  18. humanbeingincroydon

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    Just saying that, on paper, I can see what he's going for - which some people, mostly in the press but a few on here, either can't see...or don't want to see.

    Still, we'd probably be off the mark if Hulk and Moutinho lined up in our first match...
     
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  19. Boss

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    Haven't we been here before, Ramos won the uefa cup twice, consecutive seasons and they said him, and his coaches would transform the players fitness, play a great tactical game and we would be wowed by him as our manager.

    I guess if avb wins a cup this season and doesn't get us relegated then we can think of avb & ramos in the same light.

    Just, is there is a harry jnr waiting in the wings to save us when we only have 2 points from 8 games next season.
     
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  20. lennypops

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    If it all goes tits up then I think the safe pair of hands will look rather Moyes-shaped.

    BUT - I have to agree with a few on here about being negative. I was hugely against getting rid of Harry, was horrified and bemused when people started suggestuing that AVB would be a step up, believe that it's not right that Levy is shaping the squad, think our playing personnel is not a patch on what we had last year and think that the appointment of Freund is a joke.

    BUT...I really don't want to spend the next few weeks/months moaning and bitching about Spurs. Yes we're all gonna need to put a bit more effort in to feel optimistic but I want to see what AVB can do this season. And we all need to bear in mind that he has a much tougher job on his hands than Harry had this time last year. MUCH tougher.
     
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