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ON 23rd of June which way are you going to vote?.

  • IN

    Votes: 28 43.8%

  • OUT

    Votes: 34 53.1%

  • DON'T KNOW

    Votes: 4 6.3%
  • Total voters
    64
  • Poll closed .
donga blokhin said:
I think it was more a deceleration of the vote towards leave. There's many parallels here, including the polls, to the Scottish Independence referendum, but the difference was that only one or two polls had put the Nats ahead, and then only a fortnight before the vote. The last weekend before the vote had all the polls showing in ahead or level. For just shy of a month now the polls have steadily shown Brexit @ the 45% mark, with Remain @ 40/41. That's pretty solid. Remain are looking for practically all undecideds to vote and to vote for them, and also some Brexits to defect. Brexit just has to get it's vote out.

Went to a Toby Carvery for Father's Day with my daughter, her boyf, the ex and her feller and the ex father in law yesterday. Only me and the daughter voting Remain. The ex (and she's a nurse) says she doesn't believe the £350m nonsense (but only after the daughter had demolished it before her eyes) but wants 'control of our borders'. Her feller has already voted and reads the Sun - lost cause. Doesn't even know the difference between EU immigration and non-EU immigration - reckons that poster of Farage prove that if they're in Slovenia (he originally thought it was in France) means they're now in the EU and can come here. Her father just kept saying 'There's too many in our schools and taking up the NHS'.

All three thought the economy might 'dip a little', but would pick up when we signed deals with Commonwealth countries like Australia and Canada. I hope Australia know that the Brexiters seem to be under the impression that they're going to buy everything that we produce from July onwards.

55/45 to Brexit. Sad, but that's my prediction.
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Your story does not surrpise me. It must be replicated all over the country. Some had said the issue was far too complicated to be put to a general population (!) and in such a short time. I have read and heard some say they are scared of voting as they are scared of making the wrong decision (!).


As I said earlier, many people will vote on their gut feeling, on stuff they understand. The one thing that the Remain side should be winning hands down is the economic issue. Yet the Leave side is countering any economic information that the otehr side puts out as scaremongering. Without giving any data or stats of their own. Even when we have a dozen Nobel prize winning economists saying that Britain's economy will suffer after a Brexit, we still have the Leave side screaming scaremongering !!

I think it will be closer than you think. I am hoping that the bookies are right. (they rarely get things wrong, don't they?)

http://sports.ladbrokes.com/sports-central/uk-eu-referendum/
 
carlthejackal said:
Your story does not surprise me. It must be replicated all over the country. Some had said the issue was far too complicated to be put to a general population (!) and in such a short time. I have read and heard some say they are scared of voting as they are scared of making the wrong decision (!).


As I said earlier, many people will vote on their gut feeling, on stuff they understand. The one thing that the Remain side should be winning hands down is the economic issue. Yet the Leave side is countering any economic information that the other side puts out as scaremongering. Without giving any data or stats of their own. Even when we have a dozen Nobel prize winning economists saying that Britain's economy will suffer after a Brexit, we still have the Leave side screaming scaremongering !!

I think it will be closer than you think. I am hoping that the bookies are right. (they rarely get things wrong, don't they?)

http://sports.ladbrokes.com/sports-central/uk-eu-referendum/
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I do think the campaign should have been over a longer period of time. 6months min.

There are 3 issues at play

1. Brussels bureaucracy. people being told to use grams not ounces.

2. Racism. (immigration is not a genuine reason based on the level of nastiness in it now)

3. Economy

Point 1 is no reason to ruin point 3 and point 2 is such a nasty issue that when it comes down to it most of those targeted are not polish but Pakistani, Caribbean, african etc etc. It is utterly astounding that anyone could think that its not racist in some way.

I think sadly this is now down to swaying the scum. the Folsom of society and frankly if this killer stands up in court again today or tomorrow at next hearing and mouths off about Britain first and such then i'm afraid that rather than rationally seeing the truth these people will be emotionally swung away from.

It feels like the right result for all the wrong reasons... but i'd take it just the same as if a ref would send off a player wrongly if we could win a cup.
 
Racism, xenophobia, lies. If you enjoy all three of those and think they're essential to politics you'll be voting leave this Thursday. Not engaging in any kind of debate or slinging with anybody here. I'm remain. Have always been that and will always be that. If leave wins then that's potentially what I'll be doing and going to live abroad somewhere
 
Deathmetaldruid said:
Racism, xenophobia, lies. If you enjoy all three of those and think they're essential to politics you'll be voting leave this Thursday. Not engaging in any kind of debate or slinging with anybody here. I'm remain. Have always been that and will always be that. If leave wins then that's potentially what I'll be doing and going to live abroad somewhere
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They won't let you <ok>
 
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Oh, I forgot to add this gem - at the carvery I referred to yesterday, the daughter's step-dad (the Sun reader) had a sly dig at my quarter Chinese background "I don't think they'll deport ALL the foreigners, especially those of you who are mostly white". "IDS will be happy then", I replied. "Ugh?" he responded. "Well he's a quarter Japanese - you didn't know that, did you?"

. And that is the knuckle-scrapping measure of the working class view on immigration, I tell you. Nothing sophisticated at all. When they say 'There's too many of 'them' here, what they mean is there's too many of a different skin complexion. There IS an urgent discussion that needs to happen about immigration, but fffs leave race and religion out of it.

BTW, bearing this in mind, I think the rumpus over the Farage poster may be counter-productive in that every time it gets discussed they show it again. Or have the strategists already given up on the people who are influenced by it and gambling that it will get the don't knows leaning towards Remain to actually get out and vote?
 
saintKlimt said:
Bookmakers exist to make money on what other people are prepared to bet on. Being right doesn't enter into it.
They can no more see the future than you or I.
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Ah. But you are likely to get more money on betting on Leave (at the moment) so in theory it means that they think that the likely vote will go towards Remain.

7/2 v/s 2/7.

I am thinking of putting £10 on Brexit. I'll be happy to lose that £10 but I could drown my sorrows should it go against me. <whistle>
 
carlthejackal said:
Ah. But you are likely to get more money on betting on Leave (at the moment) so in theory it means that they think that the likely vote will go towards Remain.

7/2 v/s 2/7.

I am thinking of putting £10 on Brexit. I'll be happy to lose that £10 but I could drown my sorrows should it go against me. <whistle>
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They simply use a set of algorithms devised to give them a profit no matter what the outcome. Also, they don't stand or fall on one issue, so if they lose on one (Leicester, 5000-1 say) they get it back elsewhere.
Never assume bookies are clairvoyant - they're just smart with other people's money.
 
saintKlimt said:
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They simply use a set of algorithms devised to give them a profit no matter what the outcome. Also, they don't stand or fall on one issue, so if they lose on one (Leicester, 5000-1 say) they get it back elsewhere.
Never assume bookies are clairvoyant - they're just smart with other people's money.
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It's all in the maths, or so said our mathematics master at school. And every week he swore blind he had a system to beat them, yet he walked around like Steptoe and, when we got in the 6th form, WE had to sub him a pint or two in the Crack because he was always skint.

I only bet on the National, the Derby and the World Cup. I didn't bet on this Euro malarkey - I just give the £20 straight to Marie Curie!
 
donga blokhin said:
It's all in the maths, or so said our mathematics master at school. And every week he swore blind he had a system to beat them, yet he walked around like Steptoe and, when we got in the 6th form, WE had to sub him a pint or two in the Crack because he was always skint.

I only bet on the National, the Derby and the World Cup. I didn't bet on this Euro malarkey - I just give the £20 straight to Marie Curie!
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Oo-er missus.
I never bet anyway.
Me dad was an eternal victim of the bookies - put me off for life.
 
saintKlimt said:
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They simply use a set of algorithms devised to give them a profit no matter what the outcome. Also, they don't stand or fall on one issue, so if they lose on one (Leicester, 5000-1 say) they get it back elsewhere.
Never assume bookies are clairvoyant - they're just smart with other people's money.
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i do undertsand that. They are obviously not clairvoyant. In the same way as they cannot predict the FA cup final but they can work out who the favourites are at any point in time.

They must surely take into account as well as the betting patterns the movement of public opinion and the likely outcome. The gambling public the same and will be betting on the proability of the outcome and the rewards.

Now 1/4 odds on favourite for Remain.
http://sports.ladbrokes.com/sports-...be16e511452058f7f41337cbd7bf7d5d&campaign=CPA
 
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