It's a sad fact but we failed, every one is quoting we were the better side, oh we missed a penalty, the ref was biased, we got beat, why, oh why do we always start so negative, so slow, so defensively, it's continuous, game after game, I'm sorry but it's down to Southgate, he deserves a solid kiss up the ass, not what a nice guy, he deserves better, he failed, the team failed, great bunch of players, nice guys run us but as Alf Ramsey proved, you have to be ruthless, professional and score goals to win cups not mates with everybody. Please can someone give me a hug I'm so upset....
I don’t normally berate referees but honestly I think that ref last night must have had a LOT of money on France to win. Some of the decisions were outrageous - and I honestly, genuinely can’t think of a dodgy decision going in OUR favour, so he wasn’t consistently **** - just **** towards us. I know that this is going to sound like sour grapes - and there’s no excusing Kanes penalty miss - but what with Russia and Qatar getting to host the competition ahead of us - and the home nations ALWAYS ending up in the same group - and now that refereeing debacle last night I can’t help but think that maybe, possibly, FIFA doesn’t like us??
I'm sorry I don't agree with the conspirey theory of everybody hates us, the ref, FiIFA, bribery, we as a team were out of sync,slow start, very defensive, tactically out of position, simply we got beat by a team that exposed our weaknesses, potentially we have got the best players in the world, we have got one of the most pleasant managers in the world , we have supporters that are a match for anybody in the world, we have also not won any trophies at senior level since 1966 that makes amongst the best losers in the world.
I agree we haven’t helped ourselves Wiz - and missing a penalty is unacceptable - but didn’t you think some of those decisions last night a little - strange?
“That exposed our weaknesses” - I don’t really know what you mean by that Wiz! We went toe-to-toe with the reigning World Champions and probable finalists this year, and were - in many peoples eyes - the better team. You would expect a team such as France to create chances; their first goal shouldn’t have stood because of the obvious foul on Saka. The second from their point of view was a good goal, but England had had a warning a few minutes before and should have been aware of the threat from Giroud! I thought it was a very evenly matched game but the ref was strange! Besides the Saka issue, why did he need to refer the foul on Mount to VAR? Every England and neutral supporter could see it was an obvious foul! I’m disappointed by the result but I won’t be critical of Kane for missing the penalty. I know it’s his job, but he will be beating himself up more than anyone by the miss that may haunt him for the remainder of his career. Strangely enough, I’m actually quite optimistic about the England side going forward. I know it’s a result based game, but this squad will certainly win many more games than it loses over the next 10 years. Let’s just hope it can merge into a trophy winning squad!!
The foul on Saka that led to their first goal was blatent. It was a "clear and obvious" error by the referee allowing the game to go on and VAR should have pulled it back. The "non penalty" for that tackle on Kane was as bad. The first question to answer is "was it a foul"? Anywhere else on the pitch and the answer would have been yes. As it was, there was an additional decision to be made of was it in or out of the penalty area? It clearly was and the issue was bottled by VAR.
I do, especially leaving Rashford and Grealish off until the last couple of minutes and choosing Sterling with all of his emotional experiences , sure some of the ref's decisions were criminal, some of the VAR was absurd but every other team in the competition suffered the same conditions, they don't all hate us and make us lose, we are masters of our own performances.
Every game apart from Iran we started off slow, defensive, negative passing by defence, no conection between defence and midfield, when we started to move the ball forward and put emphasis on positivity and attack in the final third after 3o minutes of frustratingly negativity we were solid and no complaints from me, the French, the USA and at times the Welsh whiped us with swift attacking football in the first 30 minutes of their games. Just my opinion, I think Southgate is a very affable character, a gentleman and set in his ways and the team reflects his nature, I have no critique of Kane,Sake or any of the team for their efforts and skill levels, I rate them highly they only play to the tactics and commands of the manager, Kane was in fact my MOM in front of Saka.
I stated I don't believe in the conspiracy theory of the world hating us just because we lose a football match, Qatar bribed to stage the WC there is no denial, the French beat us by scoring more goals and Mbappe didn't get a look in apart from one shot over the bar. Look I am not knocking our players at all but I believe we were tactially inept in the first 30 minutes of most matches and that was down to Southgates tactics, I do honestly believe our players are as good as any in the world but our manager is good but sometimes not very smart. Just my opinion.
Yes, we are masters of our own performances, but that now has to be tempered by the fact that incompetent referees and inconsistent VAR can play a significant role in results. Not just for England, but for all teams in the competition!!
I totally agree with you but I grew up without VAR, we had the England goal in '66 given to us by the Russian REF, the hand of god goal from the Argentina match, the Lampard goal in South Africa against but we got over it, modern times, younger generations demand tech and moving forward, quite right to, imagine how coach and horse drivers coped with traffic lights and motorised vehicles when they were introduced, VAR is here to stay for all of us, now what was that about electic vehicles.
The Saka ‘non’ foul was explained (rightly or wrongly) by the pundits after the game. Apparently, VAR can be used to help with a penalty decision, but not overrule a decision elsewhere. VAR did prove that a foul was committed on Saka - but (conveniently) it was just outside the box so the foul couldn’t be retrospectively given and the France goal was allowed to stand.
were England tactically inept v holders France for the first thirty minutes?? if the ref did his job properly the score is? ref was beyond inept looking at all those big decisions all favouring France from the more than inept ref. Even the dropped balls favoured france breaking up England attacks for non head injuries, ref blew for a foul for France then waved play on as England played to the whistle. Beyond suspicious. Qatar bribed to stage the WC there is no denial and theres no denial Qatar have big interests in France.
Yes Wiz, but back in the days of coaches and horses, there were far fewer of them trotting about at about 10mph than todays little hatchbacks - thousands of them - whizzing around at 60+ - and football was a poor man’s game back then too. Nowadays, £millions are at stake on a referees decision. Unbelievable pressure. Curse of the modern age I’m afraid.
