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World Cup 2014: Spain's stunning demise signals the end

Discussion in 'Liverpool' started by luvgonzo, Jun 19, 2014.

  1. Tobes

    Tobes Warden Forum Moderator

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    His original point was never that he was ineffectual, it was that he was "blown away" and that he was "simply not able to keep up". He diverted away from that when it was viewed as utter bollocks.
     
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  2. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yet they lost both games... yes everything went against spain second half and 5 goals was prob a bit rich... given they were 1 up.

    i think now you are swingng to harshly the other way... iniesta always in the shadow? who scored to put cheslea out for barca? just one example. iniesta has always held his own.

    hardly... xavi is the regista, iniesta the midfielder in front. partners. You had alonso and busquets last night. he was the main man... and didn't deliver... how can it be on one post he's got nobody to work with (suggesting he is the main man and everyone else is at fault) and then on the other hand never the main man and the issue is no xavi.

    why not expand to oh if only de gea played... casiallas out and would it have happened?
     
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  3. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    yea and i suggest get the video and see how chile targeted him over 90mins and did blow him away. they close him down like rabid dogs at a rhc badger baiting. I suggest that 2 years ago he'd have coped better.
     
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  4. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    mito picked out 3 old guard players and only Iniesta was the one picked up and commented on. I certainly wouldn't point the finger at him, as I initially said, it was the wrong personnel on the night, Del Bosque has to hold his hands up to that.
     
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  5. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i pointed the finger at del bosque, how terres came on and suggested iniesta as one exmaple. I can't point to xavi if he's on the bench can i?
     
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  6. You can lose two games in a row for different reasons, they don't have to be linked <doh>

    You are taking my "shadow" comment out of context. He was always in the shadow of another player in world recognition or in other words, there was always someone else seen as more important or the bigger player. In last nights game, he WAS the big player/star.

    As for you keeper comment, why not talk about Everton instead, it has just as much relevance to the topic <doh>
     
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  7. Fair enough, I only picked the conversation up half way through so don't know how it started <ok>
     
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  8. See last comment
     
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  9. moreinjuredthanowen

    moreinjuredthanowen Mr Brightside

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    i can only reply to your point. you said he was in the shadow of others. I can't reply to that but you can reply to what i say.... check ok got it.. oh and make sure to use smileys to make others comments look stupid if i don't agree. thanks for clarifying how it works.
     
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  10. Bodinki

    Bodinki You're welcome Forum Moderator

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    Its Del Bosque's fault, end of story.
    He picked an injured striker, and had Torres as his back up <doh> and left Negredo at home.
    He played Casillas, who for some reason has turned **** in the last 3 years. Especially when they have Dea Gea and Reina.
    And he picked a midfield who played with no sense of urgency, who tried to just pass the opposition to death, but didnt have the legs for it, whether that down to age, the heat, I dont know.

    But he should have put Fabregas on against Chile, and should have rested Costa in the first game.
     
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  11. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    I think Del Bosque has to take the biggest share of blame but the players, as a collective, have to as well for not doing their job!
     
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  12. luvgonzo

    luvgonzo Pisshead

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    Indeed a collective **** up. In the past Spain would deal with pressure quite easily remember the game v Germany where the Germans ran and ran but it didn't matter the ball was gone and when Spain lost the ball it was back in seconds with their work rate off the ball.

    This Spanish team had no work ethic and the snappy passing was gone along with the work rate without the ball. Why? Maybe attitude of the players after winning so easily for so long. Maybe the quality of the players has dropped it certainly has in some areas with age but people writting off the style of play are wrong imo.

    One of the examples of how they were all so different was Alba, he's normally like a duracell bunny up and down the pitch but I don't think he got into an opposition penalty area at all in the 2 games.
     
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  13. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    Ciao was originally an Italian word meaning 'hello' or 'goodbye', but culturally diffused into various European nations with Romance languages and it is commonly used by Spanish-speakers and French-speakers, in addition to Italian-speakers.





    :emoticon-0172-mooni
     
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  14. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    Well yes, it's used in England too, but ..... if it was in a Spanish newspaper - it would be spelled 'chau' :emoticon-0110-tongu
     
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  15. The artist JerryChristmas

    The artist JerryChristmas "Massive old member"

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    **** off <laugh>
     
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  16. johnsonsbaby

    johnsonsbaby Well-Known Member

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    <laugh>

    chau amigo!
     
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