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Off Topic Woke, alert to injustice in society..

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Sunderpitt, Dec 23, 2021.

  1. samwise_new

    samwise_new Well-Known Member

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    that one small line sums up a lot of the days problems, some seem to expect perfection and in an ideal world minorities would be represented as 'exact percentages' to make sure everyone is happy...or would they?

    i have held my hands up before, i am a 60's child and i grew up with so many prejudices being 'the norm' at that time, going into pubs in my teens and being surrounded by blokes in the club (few women went into club bars then) still talking the talk from a couple of previous generations and we basically grew up 'blind' to the world around us and using the language of the times, a lot of which is simply not acceptable now and honestly should not have been accepted then...but it is how it was, nothing can change that no matter how many protests and statue murders are happening.

    the good thing is we grew and learned and now you will find many from my generation and even those older that have taken the new ways of thinking on board and are passing them down to kids and grandkids, we realised so much was wrong but now we look at the wider world and see so much wrong there but forget this was never an overnight fix in this and other western countries, it has been a long slow road and at times it is still strange for some to see same sex couples dancing together on television...it is not that they 'hate such things' it is just new and really goes against all they grew up with but the very fact they now accept it is progress in itself.

    there will, hopefully, come a time when such things are no longer discussed as it will all be just life, if it was also worldwide then that would be excellent, but there is a way to go yet with some countries and it will never happen in one or two generations, so if someone has a different opinion, it is not always born out of any hate or racism they were just brought up with a completely different outlook on many things...we keep getting told we HAVE to understand more and be more accepting but that also needs to work the other way rather than this 'holier than thou' attitude that causes many spats.
     
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    There's a whole layer cake of hypocrisy and people not daring to say what they think, you're being honest.

    Do I like to see a sexy woman dancing with a man, yes.

    Do I like to see a sexy woman dancing with another woman, yes but not as much.

    Do I like to see a sexy man dancing with another man, doesn't interest me tbh but doesn't bother me.

    Why aren't we allowed personal preferences any longer, is it compulsory to have to be thrilled by two men jitterbugging?

    I don't expect gay men to prefer women dancing or even like seeing them as much.

    Many gay men will happily say they're slightly repulsed by women ...

    ... I'm not repulsed by gay men dancing but I wouldn't cross the street to watch.

    Does that make me a bad person these days.
     
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  3. rooch 3

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    My worry for strictly is it’s just the tip of the ice berg for bbc.
     
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    Not just the BBC Rooch. We're effectively being told what we need to understand and accept whilst our own views are dismissed.
     
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    The people who get on strictly are carefully chosen by the bbc. One year a lass with one arm then a lad with one leg then a bloke with his feet bones welded together then a black lesbian and a gay male a really large black lass, at the moment the bbc are just using token gestures but what happens when one of the top boys decides that he wants them all in one show and why not? It’s not really what I want to watch in a top ballroom dancing competition but I can’t argue against it either.
     
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  6. samwise_new

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    if you are a 'bad person' marra i can show you many the same.

    i feel we are thinking along the same lines, i am genuinely sorry i cannot feel the same as many of our youngsters do these days, i would love to have that complete freedom and never be afraid of hurting someone else's feelings because 'they are so obviously wrong' but having been on the recieving end of much abuse (none of it racial or sexual so maybe i struggle to support those that have) i honestly hate to hurt peoples feelings on any level yet due to my illness my mouth tended to run away with me many a time which made me feel even worse, a vicious circle.

    now, i also at times feel if i had been of a different colour or sexuality then people may have understood my problems, as it was, people tended to avoid me...basically, my point is we cannot pick and choose who we support and who we turn our backs on, everyone at least at some point in their lives will need help and these minor differences we all have should never matter and just because we are not quite 'up to speed' does not make us bad people.

    remember, go back only 150 years and we were mostly an uneducated rabble that in many cases exploited child slavery/labour and women were allowed very little say in anything and we had to rely on the rich to give us some kind of work (in that respect, little has changed)...i do not feel the need to apologise for not being fully 'politically correct'.
     
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    I'd love to agree with that but I just don't, on the whole nature versus nurture thing. There are so many women out there who have horrendous luck with men, partnering with the dregs of humanity and then voila. Midway through the journey of their life they turn lesbian.

    There is a good scientific, statistic based argument to be made for both nature and nurture.

    It's a murky world we live in, and we won't understand it for many years to come.
     
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    There's the rub.

    I like and prefer women, and always have.

    I don't want to watch two blokes getting it on or anything near to it. And I imagine gay blokes feel the same anout a man and a woman.

    The only bloke I know who us gay has said more or less this to me. I would be baffled were it any other way
     
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    Prison appears to have the same effect, for both men and women.

    If the right circumstances appear all kinds of changes can occur.
     
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    Yep all Eton pupils are bum boys... as well as into pigs at university
     
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    My concern is that children are naïve and highly suggestible.

    I was once 'pushed' into signing up for the Communist Party, as a daft 16 year old, just because I really fancied a lass who was in it.

    I was so entranced by her I'd have had a tattoo of Stalin on my arse if she'd asked me to <laugh>
     
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  12. samwise_new

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    another good point, i simply do not get this 'my boy wants to wear a dress for school so i let him', while it is nice to be progressive and allow people to be what they want to be, school is the worst place to make a kid 'stand out' as we all know how cruel kids can be and not every parent will share those same views...we had a lad we grew up with and were pretty sure even as young as 5 or 6 years old that he 'was a girlie' as he liked to play with his dolls (well his younger sisters) yet i cannot remember any of us giving him a hard time over it which i find strange as plenty did get a lot of stick, he is gay and is a good lad by the way.

    could be why i find it easier to accept certain things than others do but where kids are concerned i am completely old fashioned, i firmly believe they should have their childhood without parents trying to force them to believe the same as they do, once they get into the teens they will start to look at all things through their own eyes anyway, accepting how things are is one thing, trying to force opinions is wrong.
     
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    That’s bloody rubbish I was never into Eton pupils:angry:
     
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    It appears Woke, has not reached Carol's from King's, no young girl choristers.
     
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    Absolute nonsense that was
     
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    It honestly wouldn't bother me if they handled it properly with this sort of thing. If the story and world building made sense of it... great.

    I thought Dev Patel as Gewain in The Green Knight was magnificent, though the film itself was pretty ****. It made sense and it felt authentic. At no point was belief suspended.

    On the other hand, I saw King Arthur played by a handsome yet forgettable mixed race lad in Cursed recently. It was ****ing woeful. It was delivered with this dumb subtextual wink as if to say look how ****ing irreverent we are as filmmakers.
     
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    Gayes have always been with us. You can’t help what you are born with: looks, disablements, sexual preferences. As long as gays don’t try to impose their desires onto others they should be accepted in society as just ordinary people. The way Turing was treated by this country was and always will be a bloody disgrace - the man should have been knighted! *****philia is not the fault of *****philes, it is a desire they didn’t ask for. But in their case they are a danger to children and society is right to be wary. I’ve only ever met one ***** and he hated his life and wished he didn’t have his unnatural desires. He just wanted to be normal but as he explained to me, whatever it is that arouses desire in men - for some it is breasts, others legs etc, - the sight or even sound of children did the same for him and he wished it didn’t. I’m grateful that I am heterosexual and therefore accepted in society and don’t have to tolerate the sniggers and disgust from the rest of humanity. I do object to the over-representation of gays on tv. Coronation street - how many gays in one street will you find in real life?
     
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    Although I finished work I few years ago now.

    My secretary ( a plump Jamaican women) for about 15 years, shared her office with Bobby.

    Bobby was a over 6ft tall lady with big hands and an Adams apple and stooped a bit.

    Obviously I would chat with Bobby several times a day and if Lynette was away, she took over from her. A very pleasant kind, inoffensive 'lady'.
     
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    It's the Chinese I feel sorry for ...

    ... a great bunch of lads and they never get a look in.
     
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