Long time reader, rare poster. "Spanish makes some bloody good points". Spanish is an arse. He is relentlessly negative, antagonistic and abusive. I have supported Town for all my life but for a variety of reasons (occupational, geographical, financial), I don't get to see them as often as I'd like, but I'd like to bet I've seen them more recently than that tosser.
That may or may not be true, but it ill behoves any newbie to come on here and call out one of our own, and though some posters might agree or disagree with some of his posts, as far as I'm concerned, Spanish is most definitely one of our own...
Shrews that's balls, Spanish has not always been negative, he's just as pissed off as i am with our joke of a club. Part of our problem is our fans are so supportive that they'll support a piece of dogshit if it's got a town crest on. MM looks like he'll keep us up, job done and Spanish is pleased we're not going to be relegated, so Warky's budgie comments are infantile. Spanish is just saying the sun doesn't shine out of McCarthy's arse. A lot of people here are in for a shock if we get dragged back down.
Welcome Shrewsburyblue!! Spanish may not always be negative but he's always pissed off!! He's been nice to me recently so I won't be too harsh but that's probably because I see Mick has limitations although he is a good manager. He's a good manager and he will do well at Ipswich but I'm not a big fan of his style. Every opinion is valid on these boards and should be respected but that does not people can speak to each other so disrespectfully just because they disagree with each other. That is generally all it is, people are rude to each other because they disagree with each other. I mean a few months ago JWM and Spanish were best of friends and both insulting me and others for saying anything positive about Jewell. Now because I see Mick has limitations and Spanish doesn't like him, he's been fairly uninsulting to me yet him and JWM are at each others throats. Can people not have differences in opinions without insulting each other??
Of course we can you twat! Deleted Hampy I really think some of the stuff you are spouting on this thread is just complete bollocks and frankly I'm surprised at you! Mick may not be everyones cup of tea but he has been by far the best appointment we have made since Joe Royle. I don't really know given the parlous state we are in who you think would come in here any way! I mean I'm sure Jose Mourinho or Arsene Wenger or Alex Ferguson would have been champing at the bit at the prospect of coming to manage us! The only priority this season is keeping up in this god forsaken division and that is pretty much thanks to the fantastic legacy bequithed by the last 2 clowns. I think you and Spanish both need a reality check as to where we are in the footballing hierachy right now and not hark back to a halcyon era that is long gone. McCarthy is doing a very good job under difficult circumstances and it's now up to every Town supporter to get behind him and support him while he tries to rebuild this football club.
Excuse me, but if Jim had been given time to grow into the role we would certainly not be fighting relegation and I'm sure by now we'd be in the Prem. I'd take Jewell or McCarthy over Royle any day of the week. Just as Shrews has every right to post, newcomer or not, so does Spanish. You're acting like a bunch of bullying arseholes. His opinion IS valid, it's not all hot air, because I agree with him more than I do most of you. Finally, playing the 'doesn't go to many games' card is also a pile of ****. This has always been a place for refugees from around the country and around the world.
I think you forget what complete and utter mess we were in when Joe Royle took the manager's job! We were heading for administration and we had to fire sell our best players for peanuts just to survive. I do not share the hero worship of Matty Holland because he refused to move to Villa for a considerable sum which would have helped us avoid administration but thats another story! On a shoestring he got us into the play-offs 2 years running before Sheepshanks pulled the rug from under him and agreed to sell all of our best players! Darren Bent, Kelvin Davies, Tommy Miller, Shefki Kuqi all went for peanuts. Paul Jewell on the other hand during his first year was given money to spend on players and he chose the old fogies route so I think you need to rethink! Oh an jimbo had 3 years and close to £20 Million to help him grow into the role!
Spanish has certainly got us all going and is probably pissing himself reading these posts. Opinions are like arseholes,everybody has one. One thing for certain were not world beaters but we all love our club.MM might not be everyone's cup of tea but he's doing a job and IMO a good one given the circumstances. My one concern with him is were we to get to the promised land of the prem that is where his limitations seem to be apparent. And unless mr Evans were to throw a few quid into the pot it would be a short stay. However we need to get there first and I fully trust MM to give it a bloody good try.
Mick McCarthy got Sunderland and Wolves promoted into the premier league and kept them there so I don't understand this "limitations" thing! The only limitations he had were financial ones as far as I could see.
Mick McCarthy has been in the job a few months. Jewell and Keane both had spells equally as good as we had in the first couple of months, but we haven't won a game with MM in the dugout so far this year, Spanish and I would both love to see us do well, but stop gold plating everything! If I do something well I don't sit there patting myself on the back, I try to do it as well or better next time.
Warky I won't deny MM got both to the prem and kept them there for a while and believe me I'd love him to do the same for us. My point was more getting at they didn't progress a great deal when they were there. I'd be quite happy with a fourth bottom finish in the first season but would want to see improvements season on season and that was where I think his limitations lie. But one thing I know for sure,despite my doubts on his appointment I soon changed my mind and am fully behind him
How many promoted teams stick with the manager who got them up for longer than 18 months anyway? As a championship club what you need is a manager who can get you promoted. That is the only remit. Unless you're happy seeing sexy football every week and remaining in the championship then your only objective should be to get promoted, by hook or by crook. There are good premier league managers and good championship managers but they are not normally the same person. Just like players, everyone has their level and we have a man at the helm who is one of the top at this level and gets teams out of our division. Fans are fickle and always want more. Right now all we want is to win games but do that too often and then we want to be entertained as well etc. We have been slipping backwards in recent years and if Mick can arrest that slide by building a stoic, solid team who get wins then I'm happy. As I always say, we can't worry about whether Mick is good enough to manage in the prem until we get there.
Im really lost for words. When my views were seen as outside the norm then there was sensible debate and I quite happily had a civil argument about my views, which were normally responded to with views of 'you idiot' but nothing worse. Now its turning to **** and if some posters dont decide to return to sensible debate this forum may soon not be worth visiting. Is it even worth debating the game? For me I still have concerns about our goal scoring threat. It seemed like the goals really came out of nothing. We restricted boro and they didnt really make me worried at any point (were they poor or did we handle them very well?) A couple of decent deliveries from corners. A decent strike from McGoldrick and a lucky(?) deflection from Mclean put more of a sheen on the result then we actually desered. We didnt really have many penalty box chances but a few decent long range efforts. Edwards let fly from distance with a great shot and Wordsworth also looked promising in his time on the pitch. I really like McGoldrick but at present he reminds me of a better version of Stead. A talented player that can score great goals but not a regular scorer. His goals at Coventry this season would suggest this isnt the case so hopefully once hes fitted in them we will see them come on a more consistant basis. Stearman was steady but was unlike any FB we have played for years as he appeared to be happy just sitting back. Im still not 100% convinced by MM's style of play but if he brings the rewards then I would gladly accept 'less pretty more substance' over the pretty style and 0 points scenario under PJ.
Have to agree completely tractorbhoy, nice of you to use my analogy of Stead, I'll let you off that one I also share your concerns about the goalscoring threat, I think McGoldrick is a handy player but as I've said before he doesn't really fit the profile of a certain type of striker, he's a good all rounder but doesn't occupy the positions to score a lot of goals nor hold the line or attack crosses. It'll be interesting to see what type of player we'll look to pair him with long term. Looking at his goals for Coventry they were generally all spectactular one's from a distance, never the scrappy or instinctive ones in the box. But also our problem of where the goals are going to come from is not just the strikers where is the creativity going to come from? It's strange really I always thought midfield was our strongest area when PJ was here, we often created alot of chances and were pretty fluid, I understand why we played Murphy on the left because I felt it brought something different, solidarity to our midfield which was usually fairly creative but looking at the team the other day Murphy looked like one of the ones you'd most look to to create something!! As I've said I think Mick is a good manager but he could be better if he wasn't so stuck in his ways. He will do well here I just don't overly like his style, he's not anti football like Keane but it is limited and perhaps why he's never gone on to be the great manager that he could be. This season is all about staying up though perhaps we'll be a bit more expansive next year, as tbh the signings of McGoldrick and Wordsworth have slightly surprised me as they are not usually the type of player Mick goes for.
San Diego, Mick's only remit this season is to keep us up. When he has achieved that we can all say he had a successful season, but he hasn't achieved that yet, I think that's the point. A four goal win is hopefully great for the players' confidence but it means sod all if we don't win the next one.
I'm just lost for words TB! We score 4 goals and thoroughly deserved the win but then you moan about the type of goals we scored! There is sure no pleasing some people!
The issue I have (and I can't speak for TB but imagine it is similar) is that last season we humped West Ham 5-1 but continued to struggle to score in some BIG matches, if we could score that many each week I would be delighted (obviously) but in reality in the scrappy games were we have one chance and need to take it the likes of DJ would score more than he misses whereas McGoldrick would possibly miss more than he scores (possibly stood in the wrong place as well) It's the scrappy games like against Barnsley & Brizzle where we needed an extra goal but couldn't get it that these things mean something, not after scoring 4 but as (I'm sure it was you who said before) "One swallow doesn't make a Summer" and in reality this could be another false dawn and we continue to struggle to score all season, but great to see strikers on the scoresheet again
