Will jgf2 Stat's Agree with This?

Whilst 14th isn't exactly exciting, what would you be happy with?

I'm surprised they have Reading finishing so low & I think Birmingham have splashed enough cash to not be in the bottom 3.

 

really a bit early although I have City to finish 14th, Burton for drop Bolton 21st Birmingham in bottom 10 Midds to win it Cardiff 8th.... My "revamped " finish" ( DURING THE BREAK )had Bolton Burton Millwall and Barnsley bottom 4, top 6 (8)
Middboro
Derby
Fulham
Leeds
Wolves
Cardiff
Hull /Norwich
note NOTICED on doing the guess its etc my list of positions "I HAD OMITTED LEEDS" who I had in 4th

 

Just a simple question Wiz - you've stated your position re: LJ regularly in other threads, so no need to state again.

Regardless of who is in charge, what position do you think Bristol City (based on the squad and status of the club) should finish? Clearly, it's higher than 14th...

 

Pretty ambitious - I think I'd be satisfied with 11th myself!

 

I would be happy with 11th

Spending money is part and parcel of the Championship I'm afraid

 

Anywhere below 10th? We've never finished above that since 2008 so why 10th.
If you say the money spent I'm going to smash my head into the Severn bridge.
Transfer fees have jumped up massively over the past two years.

 

Expecting 10th or above is a bit ambitious in my view , though I accept you are entitled to yours, as ROD pointed out the money we've spent is really not that great , just what needs to be done to even have a chance to compete. I actually feel more confident than this time last year, whilst no one could have expected the debacle that happened , I do feel we are better equipped this year . My prediction is mid table, anything less I will be disappointed, anything more would be a bonus.

 

Bit of a throwback there Wiz - the conversation's moved on a fair bit.

If you think we'll finish 21st, but that we ought to finish 10th or higher then that's your opinion, and presumably due to your very low opinion of LJ. I personally think we ought to finish 15th-ish & that we are likely to achieve that, though next season we ought to finish 8th+.

I don't think LJ is particularly special, but nor do I think he's incompetent/a liability. Hard to know what the players think (even the most brilliant tactician/coach is no good as a manager if the players don't believe in him), but it doesn't seem like there's an underlying issue there. As always, time will tell, but I'll judge LJ on what I deem to be realistic expectations. If not reaching the top 10 is failure, then all I say is that those are some pretty lofty standards & I'm not convinced there are many managers out there that would have been capable of delivering that.

 

I tell you what wiz, there's a career in politics waiting for you if you want it!

 

...So what's the context of that? Has anyone made any promises that you intend to hold them accountable to?

 

absolutely, LJ in a way stated do not expect much until we have had 3 windows, we have and now he should be able to deliver "a happy season".. we stay above 16th!

 

16th would represent progress, if a little unexciting - I don't think the 'three windows' comment amounted to promising a top ten finish this season though!

 

what do you think it amounted to? if not a promise of better things to come after it

 

Steady improvement, ultimately resulting in better final league positions year on year. For this season I myself would categorise:

1st-2nd - Incredible! Significant Over-achievement
3rd-6th - Very, very good. Over-achievement
7th-12th - Good progress shown. Slight over-achievement
13th-16th - OK, not exciting but acceptable. Par
17th - 21st - Disappointing, no progress & even moving backward. Under-achievement
22nd-24th - Total disaster and immediate dismissal if not already done so!. Significant under-achievement

...Next season I'd expect a bit better, with 7th-12th becoming the new 'par'.

What are your thoughts?