OLM - do agree about Brady - although don't know too much about the guy. Need some positive leadership on this issue - Pat Doyle had his critics but as an academic he at least had the intellligence to understand the issues affecting the city and had the vision to the bring the 'superstadium' dream into reality (after banishing that pr*t David Lloyd back down sarth)
They would surely have to change it (at least from a national perspective if not a local council one) if the net migration out of the city continues.
There wasn't much choice tbh. In my ward there was a choice between the three main parties and the National Front. I voted Labour, but I must admit even as a Labour member I got the feeling of "What the **** have we done?" the next morning. It's cliched, but the city was ****ed any way it voted, neither Minns or Brady are the slightest bit competent.
There's never been a national perspective to look at Hull's problems. In the last boundary review in 96 the then Tory Government gave the Commisioners a remit whereby should the residents outside the city boundary not wish to be 'within Hull' the boundary would not be moved. The boundary currently passes through two superstores - Sainsbury's at Hessle and Asda at Bilton whilst Brickie Estate is half within the boundary half outside. 15 years later they haven't even tidied up the boundary as they promised. Its worth noting that all boundary reviews of Hull since the war have declared an overwhelming case to move the boundary. Where else do you see a boundary like ours, slicing effectively through the built up area of what is for all intents and purposes modern day Hull. Compare this in 96 when the same Goverement moved York's boundaries well outside the built up area and far beyond what the City Council there wanted. Politics or what? The net migration beyond artifically tight boundaries has been inevitable for decades as the city has 'thinned' out. This so called migration to the East Riding FFS does not compare to say Liverpool's population going down from 750,000 to a little over half a million in 20 years or indeed Glasgows (once Britain's second city) down from over a 1million to 600,000. Apologies for losing the plot somewhat on this important thread. Rant over.
I wasn't comparing it to that of any other city (in fact, on further inspection there appears to have been a slight net migration into the city in recent years). The point was one of MPs supposedly representing equal numbers of voters and therefore a continued migration out of the city would require the boundaries to change at some point to continue to represent a proportionate number of people.
This should be a direct issue between the Allems and the council in any case, why bother having a council if you have to have referenda on something like this? The council should just sell up and the sooner the better, this kind of fannying about is just delaying the inevitable, we will get this new stadium in one form or another.
Whoah, I was mainly lifting peoples leg earlier, so I can only assume you're trying to do the same with your reply. The East Riding is Greater Hull in all but name, but as I mentioned earlier, many of those places only exist because they formed along the roads built for travel to Hull and Hull provides the income and many of the services. It's your argument that's small minded as it ignored the many benefits the villages get from Hull. With a few exceptions, the only input the East Riding has is people and wealth, and much of that wealth is generated from Hull. You mentioned before about the Premier Club and that people pay extra. Why do they do that? I'd guess it's to socialise in an area with contacts, which is pretty much how the system works. Hull provides a focal point for people from many places (not exclusively the East Riding). Apart from a few less orangey, bleac\hed people in wine bars, I can't see Hull collapsing if KirkElla closed tomorrow can you? A large part of the problem in this area is the number of people (often born in Hull) that live in the surrounding villages thinking they're a cut above people from the City they depend on for income and support. Without Hull many of those villages would get European funding for scoring low on the deprivation index they're so lacking in facilities. I must say it's mainly the western villages that seem to attract these people, to the north and east they seem more grounded.
What's this about giving ã1m to Hull KR? If we've got enough money to give to another team, don't we have some to buy new players?
Hull City A.F.C. has no/very little money. And bugger all assets! The Allam family have "loadsa money"! And lots of assets. Therefore we (The Tigers) have to ask our benefactors (the Allams) for the funding to buy players, if we have no funds to use ourselves. The Allams can do what they like with their money!
I like OLM currently reside in the East Riding, but lived in Hull at the time when the then, Council owned telephones were sold and the money used to pay for the Stadium, which in my view as a Hull Tax payer at the time of mine and your money being spent should entiltle me to a vote on whether the proposals should go ahead. Compound this with the fact that my business is based in East Hull, predominantly employs people from East Hull, and pay business rates to Hull Council, does this also not give me the right to vote? I am in favour of development of all our major sporting clubs despite not following Rugby at all, but I am also of the belief that the parks etc should not be consumed by a sprawling metropolis of Hotels and Casinos that only the affluent would benefit from (setting aside the employment prospects). There are other areas of land close by which could be used & re-developed for this rather than remove the area of green belt land (west Park) that belongs to the people of Hull rather than the council.
There will be quite a few people in Bridlington, Driffield and other places surprised to learn how so much of their wealth supposedly depends on Hull. not to mention many of the settlements in what is now the East Riding were there before the formation of what was to become Hull. I didn't notice you concerning your self about Hull people using roads paid for by East Riding inhabitants to get to the coast for a day ot and using the facilities there which again are paid for and kept clean by East Riding residents. It is a bit ironic that the Allams will be disqualified from voting whilst someone who arrived recently will be eligible as long as their name is on the electoral register. Some of these arguments and the sort of clowns who were contacting Radio Humberside Talksport last night show exactly why the well known extre,ely rich people who live in this area have never got involved with any of the clubs. Now we've even people telling the allams they should give us money for players if the chooses to help Rovers and saying it would be nice to see him spending money on the arts etc.Can only assume they are socialists as there is one thing socialists are good at, and that is spending other people's money. Not so good at creating it, unfortunately.
Nah, the problem is people that take a generalisation and try to turn it into a specific argument whilst trying to have another sneaky dig at the people of Hull, especially when the initial point was raised to counter that very issue. It tends to be those born within the boundaries that move to the suburban estates like Cottingham, Swanland etc that are more prone to it. Still, once we become Melton United, they can cut off all connection with Hull.
Now that's a fair point, but I'd guess the issue is that would then give the likes of Tesco and Asda a vote or allow people to vote in several areas of the Country.
The small minded thing was unfair with regard to the posts on this thread, I was having the same sort of debate on more than one forum and forget what I was posting where! Much of what I posted was very tongue in cheek anyway, but I do believe there are a lot of Hull residents have a bit of a chip on their shoulder about residents outside the city boundary and I don't believe the majority of the residents outside the boundary look down on those within it. It's one of the reasons I think any referendum would result in a no vote, I think that rather than looking at the bigger picture, many will just see this as an opportunity to give the East Riding residents a bloody nose(If the referendum was held for all East Yorkshire residents, I believe it would result in a yes vote). Anyway, any vote will be in Hull only and nothing we say on here will change that, it will probably kill the development and another massive opportunity will have been missed.
As I mentioned, I was more tugging legs than anything and certainly don't intend making a thesis out of it. I reckon we'll just have to agree to disagree if you lot just can't admit you're wrong.
Craven Park isn't an option for a Sport City, the site is nowhere near big enough and you don't build a development like this on a site like that.
