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  1. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    OS is operating system, dunno what creative zen is, and replaced is what the CIA do with real people who question the rule of Apple.
     
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  2. SUPERNORWICH 23

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    The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
    The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him.
    Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia.
    The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.
    Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.
    While the Genovese crime family prosecution appears to be the first time a remote-eavesdropping mechanism has been used in a criminal case, the technique has been discussed in security circles for years.
    The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call."
    Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."
    Because modern handsets are miniature computers, downloaded software could modify the usual interface that always displays when a call is in progress. The spyware could then place a call to the FBI and activate the microphone--all without the owner knowing it happened. (The FBI declined to comment on Friday.)
    "If a phone has in fact been modified to act as a bug, the only way to counteract that is to either have a bugsweeper follow you around 24-7, which is not practical, or to peel the battery off the phone," Atkinson said. Security-conscious corporate executives routinely remove the batteries from their cell phones, he added.
    FBI's physical bugs discovered
    The FBI's Joint Organized Crime Task Force, which includes members of the New York police department, had little luck with conventional surveillance of the Genovese family. They did have a confidential source who reported the suspects met at restaurants including Brunello Trattoria in New Rochelle, N.Y., which the FBI then bugged.
     
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  3. Sam Axe

    Sam Axe Active Member

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    Yeah they weren't too bright about that <laugh>
     
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  4. Sam Axe

    Sam Axe Active Member

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  5. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    Have they not been doing this for last few years, it is hardly a new thing.
     
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    who gives a toss?
     
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  7. Erik

    Erik Well-Known Member

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    Cheers, Gamdoll <hug>
     
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  8. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Nae bother, doll :grin:
     
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    - jordan - Active Member

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    how are we supposed to get excited over unix, generic text languages, c (whatever the **** that is) and binary?
     
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  10. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I can remove the battery from my ****ty phone, thats`s the difference.... If you switch it off the GPS mic and camera are still active in some new models..
     
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  11. RAVENBLACK

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    Precisely.
     
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    <ok> speaker of truth as per
     
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  13. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    <laugh> Ive just started talking **** about getting the lime to go in the hole with the body. If the feds are listening I should have a visit fairly soon <yikes>
     
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  14. Gambol

    Gambol George Clooney's wee brother

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    Are you asking for instructions?
     
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  15. Sam Axe

    Sam Axe Active Member

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    Don't worry the Yanks have no jurisdiction over you but they might pass it on to the Gardai <ok> I wouldn't go on holiday to America though because you are probably on a watch list.
     
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  16. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I don`t think the Potato police in Cork have the technology yet Hash...... You should be ok
     
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  17. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    I'm safe there Sam the yanks won't give me a visa <wasaboldboyyearsago>
     
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  18. Hash.

    Hash. pure daycent

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    they did convict 2 guys of 2 murders due to phone evidence placing them at the scenes, one guy claimed he was at work when his phone signal puts him within 300 yards of his house where his wife was strangled
     
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  19. SUPERNORWICH 23

    SUPERNORWICH 23 SUPERNORWICH

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    I take it you were smart enough to remove your battery?
     
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    That's not such a bad thing if you're not actually up to no good.

    If, on the other hand, you were the sort of chap who took to lurking in your friends cupboard waiting to rectally aggravate him then I would have to say, again, that it's probably a good thing and that your friend would probably agree.

    If you were into that of course.

    <whistle>
     
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