Corbyn can talk and appear reasonable as much as he likes, as long as he can keep the vegan fruitloop in check! I will not tolerate an attack on my bacon! Bah!
More bourgeois sentiment from The General. The meat industry is the bane of the global environment and must be legislated against, curtailed, and ultimately dismantled.
I know you are tongue in cheek but nearly half a century in the Labour party has shown me that this kind of belief is rife among the rank and file who voted so strongly for Jezza. And that is the worry, those who used to just turn up for GC meetings to heckle have now taken control. It scares the bejasus out of half the electorate.
But think of the poor cattle barons and their vast tracks of land that would be wasted on lentils and other food for the economically disadvantaged. They may not be able to buy their latest v8 pickups and there cfc rich deodorants! Animals have evolved in all their wonder to be tasty and fulfilling. Their lives would be empty of meaning without my fine china to look forward to. What do you want? With no animals to feast on, would you have us eat the poor and infirm? They might be tough! Maybe they will sell there children? SAVE OUR CATTLE BARONS, vote NO to Corbyn and his meat hating friends! Bah!
Your meat-apologist rhetoric does nothing to distract The Revolution. The defunct "Cattle Barons" will find plenty of work in the arable agricultural sector. Failing that, we'll grow our meat in big vats, cutting pollutants and freeing up vast areas of land for thousands of social housing estates. Concrete as far as the eye can see, comrades! It will be glorious!
If you think that I'm going to give up one of my favourite meals, steak and chips you can think again !
Oh yes I've heard about this! we will all be inserting microchips under our skin to pay for things in the future, some have suggested having theirs in their nose! how spiffing it'll be, paying for my truffles whilst inhaling deeply their exquisite aromatic charm! And I like the sound of your revolution. All that concrete to house our VAT fed battery workers. I shall grow rich and fat on imported luxury goods and the sweat from their broken brows! Bah!
I shall sneeze my bourgeois bogies as I please! Only the poor shall hold it in, Are you sure you are not a lovely Tory in your crushing of poor men's rights to sneeze? Bah!
The workers need not fear. Appropriate taxation of mucus emissions will be means-tested. Any private healthcare participation will also be factored in.
Doesn't really matter where I live Squire. Corbyn actually tempts me to come back to British shores as he's the only one who has made any sense in my 2 decades overseas.
The trouble is that Corbyn is an extremist (Put your hatchets away!) As in it is either the: most sensible, people centric, honest and ethical things any politician has said in the last 20 years or: utterly stupid lunacy that will push so many potential voters away that he'll ruin the chances of change and whilst I think it is good to have an alternative to the Tories and Torylite Labour. If he does get it wrong then it will only compound the Rich "I'm alright Jack" elites belief that they can and will get away with murder! Bah!
Exactly. Both statements are true. i don't think that anyone doubts his decency, genuineness or good intentions. And it is exactly those fears that are expressed at the end of your post that bother me. Whatever you thought of Blair he ensured that vital services were protected. Where Corbyn, or rather McDonnell, is correct is in saying that The Tories want those who were not responsible for the crash to carry the burden. Personally I would take the Blair half loaf over the Corbyn no bread.
The trouble with the way you are approaching this CT is you are talking about one thing which nobody truly knows (Corbyn's electability) and you are stating your own opinion (that he is unelectable) as fact. All your points stem from this supposed fact which in reality you (and everybody else) don't actually know as a fact. For example - you say you "would take Blair half loaf over the Corbyn no bread" - well as you well know that is a false dichotomy, unless you take the absolute position that Corbyn is totally unelectable. Otherwise, would you take Blair's half loaf over the possibility of Corbyn's whole loaf? So I think you're going to have to take a few steps back and think about whether you are just succumbing to the Tory press rhetoric about him being unelectable. Think about that. Think about whether you truly believe that Corbyn is totally unelectable in all circumstances. And if you do truly believe that there is nothing that can be done to make him electable, that's absolutely fine - that's your carefully thought out opinion. But it means this discussion is over because people are coming at it from a totally different premise.
I think Corbyn is totally unelectable. Today he was exposed as not knowing the difference between the balance of trade and budget deficits. An "A" level Economics student could tell you that the former is the difference between what we buy and what we sell and the latter the difference between income and expenditure. Now you may think that he actually knows that, but any lack of absolute clarity in putting it over will be seized on and used to hammer him. I repeat a Corbyn led Labour party is totally electable. He thinks he can persuade the economically disadvantaged to vote. I have been trying to persuade them for nearly half a century. Their cynicism about anybody who is seen as part of "The system" is staggering. I admire your starry eyed optimism, but that is all it is. I will go further and say if he gets to 2020 he will lose seats. Although I doubt he will get to 2018.
I've just added some bits in bold, which I know are somewhat taken as read, but are just to clarify my point - you start by making a statement about something you "think" and then your post moves to it being fact. You have decided you believe he is unelectable. That's fine. That's your choice. But that is not what people are discussing above - they are taking the view that he might be electable and working from there. Until you change your mind (and you are under no obligation to do so) I am not sure what exactly you can add to the discussion, because you don't believe Corbyn can win. Others disagree. It's as simple as that. You can start a new discussion about whether he is or is not electable, but given your hard position on this point I am not sure there is any need to discuss it. Unless you think you might be persuaded otherwise? I am very much of the view that I can see why people might think he is unelectable, but I can also see and I hear a lot of people very open to his comments. I have not got a crystal ball, so I am not going to make bold predictions that he will fail. He might, but I honestly think he might not.
You probably can't recall the '83 election and Michael Foot. Unlike JC he was an academic intellectual, but he went to the cenotaph wearing a Donkey Jacket and the rest is history. Had it not been for the Falklands effect it is quite possible that Thatcher would have done far, far worse. The general consensus at the time, including Labour party people was that the beneficiaries would have been the SDP, who might have made the breakthrough. There is no evidence that the British electorate will support a left wing agenda whatever the circumstances.
