why MoN should go....
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People are so full of **** it's laughable.
We can't keep changing managers every 12 months?
Bruce and Keane were here longer than 12 months, so what are people talking about.
He is a proven manager and the best manager we have had in my life time?
He was good in the past, not here. Huge difference. How is he the best manager we have had here, Peter Reid surely? Proven stands for **** ALL, look at Steve Clarke
You haven't given him any time yet, he will get it right?
How long would you people give him, until he's relegated us? Haven't given him time, the last time we beat 11 men was just about 9 months ago and in these last 9 months we have seen no improvement and we seem to keep getting worse.
We can't keep changing managers every 12 months?
Bruce and Keane were here longer than 12 months, so what are people talking about.
He is a proven manager and the best manager we have had in my life time?
He was good in the past, not here. Huge difference. How is he the best manager we have had here, Peter Reid surely? Proven stands for **** ALL, look at Steve Clarke
You haven't given him any time yet, he will get it right?
How long would you people give him, until he's relegated us? Haven't given him time, the last time we beat 11 men was just about 9 months ago and in these last 9 months we have seen no improvement and we seem to keep getting worse.
By the way - this seasons record for us is only 3 points worse than Everton were at this point last season - 1 win - and look where they finished
Steve Clarke has done it for half a season - and they got hammered at the weekend off a team we drew with earlier this season? Where exactly were we when Peter Reid left? Almost in the relegation mire - was successful only for 2 seasons at the top level - safc83 - what would you say if we bring in another manager and he fails after 6 months then leaves to succeed elsewhere?? No doubt people would be wanting him sacked at our place but then wouldn't hold their hands up to say they were wrong? Man Utd fans wanted Ferguson out after less than a year - but he's still there 25+ years later and massively successful - As I said - the fans didn't give Bruce time - the club did, but the fans didn't - one season after he was hired there were rumblings as we weren't winning the league.
People are so full of **** it's laughable.
We can't keep changing managers every 12 months?
Bruce and Keane were here longer than 12 months, so what are people talking about.
He is a proven manager and the best manager we have had in my life time?
He was good in the past, not here. Huge difference. How is he the best manager we have had here, Peter Reid surely? Proven stands for **** ALL, look at Steve Clarke
You haven't given him any time yet, he will get it right?
How long would you people give him, until he's relegated us? Haven't given him time, the last time we beat 11 men was just about 9 months ago and in these last 9 months we have seen no improvement and we seem to keep getting worse.
Steve Clarke has done it for half a season - and they got hammered at the weekend off a team we drew with earlier this season? Where exactly were we when Peter Reid left? Almost in the relegation mire - was successful only for 2 seasons at the top level - safc83 - what would you say if we bring in another manager and he fails after 6 months then leaves to succeed elsewhere?? No doubt people would be wanting him sacked at our place but then wouldn't hold their hands up to say they were wrong? Man Utd fans wanted Ferguson out after less than a year - but he's still there 25+ years later and massively successful - As I said - the fans didn't give Bruce time - the club did, but the fans didn't - one season after he was hired there were rumblings as we weren't winning the league.
We aren't Everton though, they have much better players and a much better manager and play much better football.
Everton last season had 16 points but were 10th and had won 5 games, they were also 6 points above the relegation zone.
So let us say let we sacked MON and brought in Martinez and then we lost the next 6 games. Would that be considered a new conundrum for Short to consider? Where do you draw the line? Bruce could have had more time even after 3 years. We have made our choice and now we must stick by our choice. To start replacing managers after 12 months, where does it end? 6 losses off the trot? 1 month?
You must also bear in mind that replacing the manager ISN'T a guarantee of success. Take a look at Chelsea.
But why should they get cart blanche to totally **** us over, where does that end.
If we were playing well, creating chances, a plan B from the man, change of formations when its not working but getting beat/drawing games at least we could see something happening, as it is, its the same every week and no sign of him changing it I think thats what is pissing a lot off, everyone can see its not working apart from the 1 man that counts, he hopes it will start working.
Like i said, I am a MON supporter (for now) but i can understand why others are up in arms about the whole situation.
If we were playing well, creating chances, a plan B from the man, change of formations when its not working but getting beat/drawing games at least we could see something happening, as it is, its the same every week and no sign of him changing it I think thats what is pissing a lot off, everyone can see its not working apart from the 1 man that counts, he hopes it will start working.
Like i said, I am a MON supporter (for now) but i can understand why others are up in arms about the whole situation.
You judge each manager differently, if our performances were good but results just werent happening then we would all be supporting him and just waiting for us to turn the corner. Performances aren't good though, they are abysmal and both performances and results have been shocking (at best) for 9 months.
Enough is enough from me, I want MON out.
Enough is enough from me, I want MON out.
I don't agree with MON playing Colback ahead of Vaughan. I don't agree with playing one up front. I don't think Sessegnon is good enough to justify maintaining the current formation. I see things differently too... We have to give the fella a chance... Let MON build his own team first before we start shouting for the sack. MON has said if we are no better off in 3 years he will walk away...
It's been a poor start and the lads look frustrated and lacking confidence. Let's give them and MON the best support we can and hope we can climb the table.
It's been a poor start and the lads look frustrated and lacking confidence. Let's give them and MON the best support we can and hope we can climb the table.
I dont know where this it doesnt work look at chelsea comes from.
Scolari was poor but a better record than MON for us, they got RDM and they won the CL
its far too early what Benitez will or wont do, but no one has got the best out of Torres yet, so its no wonder they are struggling to score.
yes they do go through managers a lot, but they invariably win **** or at least have them in the upper echelons of the league.
Scolari was poor but a better record than MON for us, they got RDM and they won the CL
its far too early what Benitez will or wont do, but no one has got the best out of Torres yet, so its no wonder they are struggling to score.
yes they do go through managers a lot, but they invariably win **** or at least have them in the upper echelons of the league.
The irony of the Chelsea example is that they had about 8 managers who failed to win the champions league prior to RDM. RDM was only a caretaker at the time he won the champions league, he wasn't even an appointed selection.... It's asthough 'somebody upstairs' was trying to teach the man with the money a lesson or two... A few games into this season and RDM is gone. Abramovich is running out of managers to appoint at the rate he is going through them... Infact, at the rate Chelsea are going through managers, MON must be climbing toward the top 10 in the list for the next appointment...
Chelsea are where they are through buying power. I could manage Chelsea and take them to the champions league with the squad that they have which is down to money. The fact that they are always up there despite all of the managers proves its the money that keeps them up there.
Again every club and situation is different.
They sacked him when he went 4 games without a win and had just won the FA Cup and Champions league. Say no, wouldn't have even been close to calling for his head.
MON however, hasnt won nowt and last beat 11 men, 9 months ago. Completely different set of circumstances and that's why people need to stop comparing our manager, players, tactics etc and judge us on the present.
I feel that while things are dire, we cant keep sacking managers. Imagine if he goes now we could miss out on what could be Sunderlands finest hour. We need to persist for a while longer, even if we wipe this season off now and build for next??
I hope we pick up enough points to keep our heads above water, untill January then buy 2 or 3 quality signings, this rarely happens in January but you never know.
After that I hope we can slowly build as, the run we went on last year has got everyone carried away.
Slow progression is what we need, and I think MON needs to get a young number 2 in and fast, let MON do the team talk and the number 2 help with the tactics. Its less of a gamble bringing in a no. 2 with MON experience next to him rather than giving them the managers Job.
I hope we pick up enough points to keep our heads above water, untill January then buy 2 or 3 quality signings, this rarely happens in January but you never know.
After that I hope we can slowly build as, the run we went on last year has got everyone carried away.
Slow progression is what we need, and I think MON needs to get a young number 2 in and fast, let MON do the team talk and the number 2 help with the tactics. Its less of a gamble bringing in a no. 2 with MON experience next to him rather than giving them the managers Job.
And 80% of the squad he is working with is inherited. Like him or loath him, Bruce ****ed up with the squad. Bruce brought great strikers in but sold 2 of them, sent the loanee back and replaced them with another loanee, Ji and Wickham and now MON is trying to change all of this again before a relegation occurs. It was a miracle we didn't go down last season.
We also 'lost' experience in Zenden and Malbanque and replaced them with relegated squad players. Larsson, Vaughan and Gardner. Malbranque is playing better now than he has in years.
Now I'm not wanting MON out but I have to disagree with you. How are Chelsea a laughing stock.(as said a million times) It's all about opinions. Some owners/clubs want and keep a manager for 10/15/20 years (we know who) and it has proved successful and other's (Chelsea/Real Madrid up until JM) change a manager even when they win titles and Champion's league. It's about what works for that club (and more so owner). Hughton was doing a good job at the Mags and was shown the door. Where Bruce was pissing down his own leg and hung on for more than a year to sweet bugger all improvement. As I said I don't want MON out but fear by the next 4/5 games he will be. West Brom was a needed win. QPR was a must win (Norwich is important but) Reading is a deal breaker for me. I'm afraid the guy is close to the edge.