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Why does everyone seem to hate the english

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by Hash., Jun 1, 2011.

  1. Al Nuh

    Al Nuh New Member

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    F.cuk the english<laugh>
     
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  2. Tavyred

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    If you divide up the various regions of England as you have done, then any argument as regards funding is provable, for instance a deprived area like the Gorbals probably has more state funding than some prosperous market town in the Scottish sticks somewhere.Why is it acceptable for you to talk of Scotland as a whole, yet somehow we English have to come from a region of England?
    If we are talking about the independence of one the constituent country`s of the Union, the only valid comparisons are country by country. Scotland recieves a disproportionately generous take from the UK treasury in the way of it`s block grant every year in comparison to England.....FACT!
    Please don`t now wobble on about 'Scottish' oil/gas, it`s only scottish when you ****ers have the balls to go it alone, until then it`s a UK resource!
     
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  3. Al Nuh

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    Scotland is gonna get it's own Independence
     
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  4. monacoger

    monacoger POTY 2021

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    As opposed to whose independence?
     
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  5. Tavyred

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    I sincerely hope so, as Jack Straw said (I think!) the only tangible need for the Union now is to keep under control unfettered English Nationalism!....it`s seems we English scare them!
     
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  6. Al Nuh

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    Jack who?<laugh> pal all your politicians are queers<laugh> Scotland will have Independence
     
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  7. The Raging Oxter

    The Raging Oxter Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but that's the point I'm trying to make. The right wing papers like the Sun and Daily Mail are happy to talk about the regions of England when it suits them but when it comes to subsidies they class England as a whole, suggesting that Scotland gets more per head of population. But subsidies are based on regions when it comes to England so they are being economical with the truth.

    You actually half answer the question yourself. The reason Scotland gets a (slightly) higher per head average is because of the geography of the country and the population spread.

    When broken down into regions (as it is when the payments are calculated) there are many areas of England that get higher per head funding than Scotland, including the south east and London.

    As for the oil. Well, it's funny how the people who talk about subsidies want to conveniently ignore how much money this brings into the treasury when they want to discuss spending per head of population. But you carry on believing what you read in the right-wing anti-Scottish press if it makes you feel happy.
     
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  8. SackAndyGrayAgain

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    Let's be honest here, everyone doesn't hate the English. The Argie quoted in the article clearly has an axe to grind about his murderous military dictatorships failure to invade another country, and seems to be too dim to understand that the Falklands are a part of Great Britian and not England.

    Others are unhappy that our media critisises corrupt official, rather than joining in as so many others do.

    Of course there are some morons who still bear grudges about things that happened hundreds of years ago, but only when their ancestors were the victims, rather than the beneficiaries, but if we go with that why doesnt everyone hate Italy for the Roman Empire, hate Muslims for the attempts to invade Western Europe, and so on?

    I suspect there are just some sad, childish people around, who perhaps need to grow up a bit.
     
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  9. C'mon ref

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    Funny really .... if you look at the flag of the Basque region of Spain, then ignoring the colours it is very similar to the UK flag ....... and I believe that region has independence from the capital of the country on the agenda. Wonder if they have discussions like this?

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  10. Tavyred

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    As usual with the oft repeated Scottish Nationalist argument, it tends to be pure fantasy!
    The per-capita spend per country is-

    England £7,121
    Scotland £8,623
    Wales £8,139
    Northern Ireland £9,385

    The English regions per capita spend is-

    North East £8,177
    North West £7,798
    Yorkshire and Humberside £7,188
    East Midlands £6,491
    West Midlands £7,065
    Eastern £6,144
    London £8,404
    South East £6,304
    South West £6,677

    So go figure, not one English region matches the per capita spend of the Jocks!
     
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  11. The Raging Oxter

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    Reference please?
     
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  12. Mick

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    The Union doesn't work for anyone. Businesses are happy to service customers in the various regions but they have no incentive to be head quartered there or to employ any more than the necessary staff there. Sure we get the call centers and the low level jobs because of cheap work forces but very few of the high paying executive positions make it away from the South of England.

    I'm from Northern Ireland originally and I've lived for the last 6 years in various other places. Despite the fact I come from Northern Ireland and know the region well I would not base a business from there - it doesn't have any tax advantages, which the IOM, Channel Islands and even Rep of Ireland have. It also has all the costs/regulations/employment laws associated with a UK business but with a small domestic market and hindered travelling to the bigger market of England.

    The only way NI will become self sufficient and attractive is if it get's a lot more autonomy from the Union and offers tax breaks and other incentives for business to be based there. It's the same with Scotland and Wales. Why would I base a business from Belfast when I can run it much cheaper from Dublin?

    So England continues to pay for the regions and the regions continue to wallow in their own **** economies because they offer all the draw backs of small domestic markets yet none of the tax advantages that practically every other small European nation gives to business.
     
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  13. Tavyred

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    2007 UK Treasury figures.
     
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  14. The Raging Oxter

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  16. The Raging Oxter

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    http://fullfact.org/factchecks/Simo...ett_formula_Scottish_spending_settlement-2693

    ps Also, we don't get billions to spend on white elephants like the Millennium Dome, the Millennium bridge and the Olympics, rough total cost about 12 BILLION POUNDS.

    Maybe if that was included in the figures it would give a more realistic view of where all the ****ing money goes in this country <ok>
     
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  17. Tavyred

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    So according to YOUR figures there is only one English region that receives more than the Scot`s?....so your suggestion "that many" English regions get more than Scotland was a load of bollocks it would seem.
    Although, as if to offset your error, you bring the lottery funded Millenium Dome in to your flawed argument.....nice one!
    I, like many English people could`nt give a stuff whether Scotland remains in the Union or not, indeed if independence satisfies some deep-rooted longing for self-determination in you, then crack on, but lets keep to the facts and agree that Scotland does very well financially at least, from being part of the Union.
     
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  18. Jesus Was A Geordie

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    I resent having to take a year out before going to University to have to pay for living costs (and the whole while paying NI and tax, which will be shared with Scotland) so that Scottish students can go to University for free!
     
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  19. Al Nuh

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    Dunn you fam to me, and only family
    that can get that close to me
    Keep it type strong
    Blowin green that's keepin us goin
    Unconditional love showin
     
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  20. stopmeandslapme

    stopmeandslapme Well-Known Member

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    And so you should. "New Labour" started a process which will lead to scotch independence and in the mean time Salmond is gleefully winding us English up by treating his people with our money.
     
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