I think we should offer all of our targets and their clubs double what they are actually worth. That'll show em'.
I think one of the stalling points over the Rojo deal is not that 17m euro is way off what Sporting/Doyen want. It could be that 18m euro would get the deal done. However it is reported that we want to pay it in installments over 4 years which: A - Is unattractive to a club that will only get 25% total over 4 years, i.e. less than 1m euros per year B - Strange tactic when the selling club know we have the cash now. Sporting/Doyen know we can pay now. We are obviously angling to spread the payments over a number of years, probably for the FFP reasons. We may well come to some agreement between the 2 parties where say Sporting get all their money and Doyen get theirs over installments or something similar. Not as easy as just upping the offer though. I think it's as much to do with how we want to pay.
Why is it safe to assume we have all that cash, up front, right now? Can guarantee that every transfer we've done this summer is based on instalments, and clauses on appearances/international caps and the like. Also take into account the remaining fee that was due to Lyon, the sell on fee to Lyon, and the sell on fee to Bournemouth....the reported ''Southampton have £90m!!!!'' to spend is very, very far from the truth. We're not really in a position to splash near enough £20m up front on an untried foreign player.
Everyone knows we have money. Everyone knows we need players. Therefore they will hold out until the very last moment to get the best price they can. We will get the players we want, and we will get them for a good price. Unfortunately though we will have to play the first few games of the season with a less-than-desirable squad, which will potentially cost us points. What's more useful, a few extra million in the bank, or a few more points in the table? You decide, cos I've stopped giving a **** now.
Yes! Les finally has got his finger out his arse and realised that we are going to have to pay significant fees to bring players in. Pretty sure that Celtic would have had in their mind, from day one, that they would accept a 10 million bid for Foster. So much faffing about was pointless. Great signing!
OK so lets say we only have £30m of that £90m??? so far. Add that to the widely reported money that was going to be spent anyway of circa £30m and we now have £60m. I am pretty sure that when they say we have to account for wages as well they are talking about the first year only as the 2nd season we will have more installments in to cover those wages. Like I said. People we are buying from KNOW we have enough money NOW to not pay in installments and WILL play hardball if they want to.
Every club knows we have a bit more than a pot to piss in. However, the worst thing to do is to offer the real deal up front. In certain countries, if you offer what the dealer asks straight away they tell you to go away because they can't do business with someone like that. Negotiation is more than arriving at the right figure. It tells something about the people behind you and if you are serious or not. So Les is doing all right. And yes, I know DTLW and Joe were being ironic. Incidentally, £10+M for Forster shows that Celtic know we have a few bob. He's good, but not that good. However, that's the price. You reap what you sow.
TSS, how much is a good quality keeper then? I think Forster is a good quality keeper and I'd expect to have to pay £10m ish
Yes it was pointless. We should have bid 10m to start and ended up paying 15m. Well done, well thought out.
I'm not too unhappy about starting bids low. Sure if might piss off selling clubs but it also sends a message to the player that we're interested and a message to the clubs that we're not throwing cash just because we have it. Clubs know we have money but they shouldn't believe we're desperate, or that their player is the only one we're after. As for why our bids so often seem to take forever, I have no idea, maybe it does have something to do with the low starting offers! I trust Ron and LR to do a good job.
We will probably always have to pay top money because we a) we are perceived to have money and b) players have to be convinced to come here. I think we have to go in reasonably strong, but have some wriggle room to go higher....you can't start at your final price.
P.s. Have sympathy for Black's view though...I have wanted us to throw cash to get someone over the line. I am just a bit more chilled now
Me too! Honestly I just post things sometimes to be part of the gang. Don't take it too serious. I haven't got a clue really!
I doubt our buds really take much longer than most; it just seems that way. Remember as fans keeping a very close eye on things with our club, we hear very early if a rumour and then it may take a while to go from rumour to player signed. When I speak to mates who support other teams, they think the same if their clubs and then hardly know any of the rumours about Saints.
Yep, The Shaw, Lallana, Lovren deals still took a few weeks to complete and they seemed like formalities On the theme of this thread it's worth pointing out that the buyer can be in the stronger position. Take a player like Ings as a prime example. Burnley allegedly want £11m and it's believed we've shown an interest and we could have offered say £8m. Ings can leave on a free next summer so as the transfer window slowly closes that £8m is going to look more and more tempting
I don't know why people worry about how low an opening bid is either for our players or ones we are going after. All clubs put the first bid in low and it doesn't matter if it's a tenth of what you are prepared to pay or closer. The hope will be that someone goes to the press and virtually tells you how far off you are giving you the chance then to offer closer to what they want without going all the way there. The papers don't have much of a clue, they were warbling on about Saints wanting £20m for Shaw and £15m for Lallana until bids came in and then Saints obviously fed them info after initial bids came in and then the buying clubs upped their offers to exactly what we wanted. The first part has happened too with Morgan where the papers were reporting £15m. Levy offers £10m and now the papers are talking about a £25m+ valuation. Only difference with Morgan is no-one has put a higher offer in.......yet. I don't think £10m is too much Forster. Like many say if he plays for us for 10 years he has cost us £1m a year. We also don't know how much is cash and how much is add-ons, nor if the add ons are realistic. For example if there is a £2m add on for 50 England caps, how realistic is that? Will he get 50 caps? He is behind Hart and Foster at the minute. The only exceptions to the above rule are Real Madrid and Barcelona who ask how much then pay double because the amount of money is a statement to them.
Yes, I can see I was giving the wrong impression. I only meant the difference of a million or so. I would have thought £8.5M would have been suffcient normally. We'll soon see if he's worth those extra pennies.
