Who's backing Ashley again then?

Well if Ashley wasn't so stupid to make the tens of idiotic decisions he made , maybe we could be friends.

Unfortunately , he saved us from death , but is torturing us at the moment.

 

My French is OK , nothing special though.

Live in the Flemish speaking part of Belgium!

Mais je parle un petit peu de francais , c'est necessaire parce que nous avons beacoup de jouers francais dans notre club!

 

More than enough to get by.

 

Yep

 

in my opinion we are better off without most of the above. I would like to have got Shearer as manager as until we do, it remains the elephant in the room...

still ashley has sorted the finances out, and worst case scenario is that he takes the money out, we owe him less, the stock market continues to decline, he sells us for less debt and we are a saleable asset, meaning we win, he loses, and is still a fat pr**k

Winner.

By the way at some point we need to address the shearer as manager issue or Steve wraith etc will never shut the funk up

 

Some refered to who would you rather have MA or FFS.

Someone else commented FFS but his sacking of Bobby was the worst thing ever done at this club, and the reasoning behind that sacking? Dyer,Jenas (the brat pack) throwing strops and making life for Bobby awkward and not really putting the effort in. He was then branded as 'losing the dressing room' and all because of player power!!!!!

Sound familiar? Players thinking they had more say so than they should and trying to push for bigger better contracts, only this time the board didn't give in to them.

I'll never forgive MA & DL for the way they let CH go and said bringing KK back was a huge mistake.

The board has made mistakes, but putting the age limit and wage cap in place is the best thing they have ever done for this club. Unfortunatley Barton & Nolan fell foul of this, both ould have seen their time out but and who know's maybe have got a better contract offer. Bot Chose to walk away.

The Barton contract could have been handled better and it does make you wonder what has gone on to piss Ashley off enough to let him go for free, he is not the kind of person to miss out on the chance to make money no matter how small it is.

People seem to forget Saylor refused a contract and was also stuck on the transfer list but sharp changed his mind.

The facts are their both sides are at fault here, just depends what facts you choose to look at

If MA is taking the club down you have to ask yourself WHY? Why would he want to lose money, he doesn't yes he is trying to reduce players wages etc. because FFS used to give players what they wanted and pay the transfer fee on the never never.
I'm sure we were still paying for Owen even after he had gone!!!

 

Of course he is. He's doing a very fine balancing act of just doing enough to keep the club up in the Premiership and, at the same time, selling anything/anyone on who is worth selling if it doesn't mean that the club will end up in the bottom three.

The worry is, of course, if he gets this fine balancing act wrong.

Of course he's got a good PR machine going. He's doing it for the club's stability, it says. He's doing 'an Arsenal' it says when players at their peak are moved on for profit.

Yes, he is getting new exciting blood in but if they are any good then they won't be more than two seasons. Young talent the world over will soon learn that they get Premiership football with Newcastle for a season, be noticed and then move on to better things. Make no mistake they will be told via their agents of Newcaste being a high profile stepping stone for their careers.

We see Pardew wringing his hands and crying crocodile tears about the transfer market and the squad but he's not squaring up to the chairman defending his squad. He's letting them go when the call comes from the boardroom. And this is no surprise; we all knew that this was the reason that Hughton was removed - he wanted to build the team. Ashley sees Newcastle as he sees his chain of shops - a stack 'em high and sell 'em cheap organisation.

Make no bones about it. Ashley will do everything to keep the club in the Premiership and nothing more. If Newcastle finish 17th every season with a good profitable turnover of players then he will happy. Under Ashley the club will never compete for Europe - that is not in his plan despite all the nonsense people hear about Five Year Plans and the like.

Ashley is nothing but poison to this club. Newcastle will never be a big club under him; just a high profile club. And you know who makes it so? The fans and no-one else.

The more that people buy the replica shirts, support his shops and even spend money over the turnstile the longer this will go on. Yes, I know; I have heard it before - I am going to support the club each week. But going and putting money into the club isn't supporting the club; it may seem like it but it's just feeding the cancer cells within.

 

GloryHunter: cracking post. I'm just hoping that the financial expert on football I heard on BBC Newcastle a few months ago was right when he predicted Ashley would sell the club before the end of the year.

We can't complain we weren't warned, though. He had a reputation as an asset stripper before he took over the club and he has proved true to that reputation.

 

When Ashley took over the club I pointed out time and time again that the Financial Times did a massive spread on him which made for awful reading. I posted this many a time on the old forums but it seems that no-one who reads anything more than the tabloids took time and effort to track down the article and read it for themselves.

There is no excuse for any fan, frstly, not to be warned and, secondly, to have read the articles within the quality press.

In fact, I haven't seen one person who supports Ashley take issue with that article in the FT. And this is how monsters like him survive; people just get believing the PR issued by the club without looking deeper into the story themselves.

Next time I hear an Ashley apologist on here I would like him, or her, to tell me what was wrong with that article and if they didn't read it then I want to know why they didn't.

 

http://swissramble.blogspot.com/search/label/Newcastle%20United


unbiased non journalistic view on the state of our finances

 

****ing double post

nobby on soccer am

 

Certainly interesting reading interms of the clubs finances.

Glory Hunter h
why would MA be happy with 17th each season, it's in his own interest to finish as high up as possible so the club /himself would get more money in.

As a business it would make NO sense to asset strip and run it as scrape through every season. Maybe that is how he thought he could do it and realised that this is not like a clothes store chain.

All the 4 players that left went for diffrent reasons and not just for profit.

As I said before, Barton must have done something to seriously piss the club off to let him go for nowt as MA is not the kind of person to miss out on making money.

 

Why would Ashley be happy with 17th?

1. Because he would still get the Sky TV money.
2. Because to challenge for Europe one would need better players with superstar wage demands.
3. Because the players coming in from abroad wouldn't command larger salaries. Let those be the concern of the clubs they sell them to in two years.
4. Because seventeenth still has the same exposure of his goods in the shop window as does seventh.
5. Because to get seventeenth one doesn't need a bigger squad than ones does to get to Europe.

As a business, you say, it makes no sense to asset strip. History is littered with asset strippers who do well for themselves out of it. You're thinking of the club and not of his bank account.

If Ashley isn't doing this as a bargain basement operation then please where is the investment? Where are the exciting forwards brought in to replace Carroll which have actually cost something? Where is the full time cover for, oh, you list the postiion and where's the cover for that?

It doesn't surprise me if during each summer the board sit down and identify three clubs which are relegation candidates and then then ask themselves if the club can finish off better than them. And, if so then how much margin is left and, further, could this margin be capitalised on?

 

Excellent link.

Should be compulsory reading for all of us - on a number of levels. Like it or not, its Fat Mike's money (and quite a lot of it) which has kept us afloat the last couple of years.

 

He's paid for you so he can do what he wants to you?

Sounds like some form of prostitution.

 

<yawn>

 

Watch it Fat_Mike or Ashley will take that open mouth as an invitation to stick his dick in.

 

I'm so pleased I wasn't on here last night. Have we turned into the unwashed with all this inner fighting. Yes people have different opinions and views, but don't slate them just because they have those views.

 

Anyone who defends MA deserves slating!

 

As does anyone who irrationally hates anything he ever does. From your first post some are horrendous decisions (notably Keegan), but most have some justification as has been discussed. As someone who remembers far worse chairmen than Ashley, and actually thinks we've got a pretty good team this year, I don't see what we have to gain from ludicrous opening posts and titles like this one which has only caused stupid infighting between anti-Ashley folk and supposed Ashley lovers.

There is a middle ground. We are in it. We've 4 points from 6 in two difficult games, still in the Cup unlike a lot of our rivals and are a left back and maybe another striker off being a very decent Premier League side, especially for one that was only promoted last year.