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Who Will Win the SOD Groupees or the Boo Boys....?

Discussion in 'Bristol City' started by wizered, Sep 28, 2013.

  1. ibodyslamrhinos

    ibodyslamrhinos Active Member

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    Pretty unrealistic as well....

    You have just described what EVERY club in the country would like to achieve. What we want to do at Bristol City is nothing new. While agree with what you think is a wise way forward, it simply isn't realistic anymore under FFP. If it were, the sags would be in the Premier League along with 92 other clubs! I could sit here and list all the things that would make a club near perfect, but you haven't explained the implications of all those things when they don't work, the wrong people are given the task, the youth reach you want aren't interested in moving to a possible and probable 4th tier club, there is less money coming in from revenue, less fans supporting the club and coming to games, the list goes on and on.

    The only place to start, is on the pitch. Again, thats not happening, and performances in my eyes don't look like we could cut it with the top half of the table in this division, which is a worry! It's easy to have 60% possession in your own half when the other team are sat back behind the ball.
     
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  2. johngalleyfan2

    johngalleyfan2 Well-Known Member

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    true to a point

    ..... we possibly need to play teams like the top half to make progress

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    especially if they are a goal up. however to achieve possession football sacrifices have to be made, like you need to practice the art of...then develop the next phase breaking out and scoring, Sat we saw the possession, breaking out, shooting but scoring this latter aspect needs the attention now
     
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  3. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    What BCFC are attempting is not being done at the Gas, Exeter, Torquay, Plymouth. Some clubs have shut their academies. The EPP the football league signed up to is NEW, it could also be harmful, but City are in a position to benefit from the misfortune of other clubs being unable to meet EPP demands.

    The coaching at the bottom of City's pathway is NEW.

    If run correctly it will be hard not to produce players. When John Laycock was Chairman how may players were produced by the academy he helped to set up? What was the clubs financial deficit? The two are part of a synergy.

    The post put forward is utterly realistic under FFP. Investment in academies and youth development is not considered as a loss under FFP. City [SL] can invest even more.

    City will not be a fourth tier club. Historically they are not. BCFC 1982 is hardly a parallel ... Alex Lockhart as sub!! BCFC and Bristol City holdings, stadium limited create enough revenue to sustain Championship/third division football. others do more with less. Couple that with advanced youth development and the club operates in a differing more self sufficient manner.

    Investment in a pathway frees up cash for additional quality players. Looking at the under performing dross City have bought it is a lot cheaper than buying in ex Premier "stars" cutting it now at Accrington.

    Where is your picture of your substitute model for BCFC?
     
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  4. Red Alert

    Red Alert Well-Known Member

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    That makes no sense at all. Odd club does do similar but with Citys extra support and catchment area the club should do better than a Crewe. FFP is designed to let clubs like City do what they are doing.
     
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  5. ibodyslamrhinos

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    I can accept all of that Cliftonville, and appreciate it. I am fully all for it. But if you want to revolutionize a club from top to bottom, you need the correct people from top to bottom to implement it. I don't believe we have anywhere close to the right people. I believe you need football experience on the board not yes sir no sir money men, and especially not people my age with absolutely no experience at running the day to day massive decisions of a Championship (now league 1 club). You need older, wiser heads who know the game better, know the business of football better.

    I believe money is much better spent on development, and backroom staff than players. I think there are far too many average and below par players knocking around in the middle two tiers, and we see them in abundance travel through our club. I think if you want to create a new era, you need someone a lot more hungrier, with fresh ideas than SOD. You need someone who is in a sense the future of football, not trying to emulate other clubs from the past like SOD is. SOD in my eyes is a first team coach, not an overall manager of the squad. I believe the right group of off the pitch personnel can get average players to play well. We have good players I would say, but they are playing well below average!

    I have always been an advocate of youth and bringing them through, and I think at our current level, there is no better time than now. So I agree with all the behind the scenes youth projects, but this isn't down to SOD, his job is the first team and results on the pitch. A sustainable future is what we all want, and there is no reason why with our catchment area we can't be the big boys in the south west, and I appreciate the time it will take. But I wasn't a fan of SOD before he came, and I'm certainly not warming to his excuses, benign drivel, or confusing, conflicting statements he makes. If I can't follow the things he is saying a couple of times a week, how is a young player supposed to know what he wants?
     
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  6. Cliftonville

    Cliftonville Well-Known Member

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    Again I fail to understand the crux of what you are getting at, apart from Sean O’driscoll is no good and you want somebody else.

    Who are these revolutionary coaches?

    Who is this future of football?

    What is your substitute model?

    How do you know he is not hungry? I have no idea how that can be quantified.

    What are these fresh ideas you speak of? Mr O’driscoll can hardly be accused of following a traditional Anglo Saxon route of football.

    You appear unable to marry the academy and youth development to any style of football. The Community trust and academy if you visit them they do clearly emphasise playing in a certain manner.

    The player pathway is linked to the Head coach. I hope he checks, and is in close contact with others at BCFC all the way from the bottom up. He can’t be everywhere, but if City are to create that Bristol City way all must work in unison, including the next person in Mr O'driscolls role. If they do not ... it is pointless.

    You make generalisation regarding Sean O’driscoll emulating clubs from the past. Well if that style of football is possession based it is the future. The future will require players of higher technical ability. The future of football is more technical, ever less physical, EUFA/FIFA even the FA here are seeing to that like it or not grrrr and pashun will be no substitute for two functioning passing feet..

    I can't follow the things he is saying a couple of times a week, how is a young player supposed to know what he wants? It is basic stuff. Seriously it is not a hidden language. A six year old can understand his point of being the best for forty five minutes without the ball. They can. I have used similar language to six year olds and it was clearly understood.

    I doubt that you will have anything new to add to thread, so unless you do I shall leave it here.
     
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  7. Sixtyseconds

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    Is it Dave or Harry Bassett you want?
     
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