I think what MSC is doing is amazing. At his age coming back after three years and driving the socks of half the grid! It is for me just another proof of his huge talent as he keeps improving race by race. Now if Mercs can up their game as well, another WDC is not too far fetched. I also rate Rosberg highly and think he is right up there among the top. They will be a very strong team should they improve their car enough.
i think he's erring about the traction controlled Benetton of 94 and ram gate, and compliance of the FIA for most of the others.
Mate there are plenty of other "great drivers" that bent and pushed the regulations to the limit. In fact I better stop before this is turned into who "cheated the most" thread.
There would definitely be only one winner to that......... Lewis could learn a lot from MSC. So is it a real ignore list you have Manny or just a fake one?
I'm taking you off it, your posts sit fine with me and have been doing the last few days. I was just being curious with Miggins though, I thought he may have said something less (anti-msc) so I could take him off the ignore list.. and it didn't. Lets get back on topic.
Not to the same degree, I'm sure you'll agree. Senna is probably closest; but even he is a long way behind. Although he may have given some ideas to the real cheat to take to a completely different level, his way was far 'purer': He didn't make excuses or pretend he'd not done anything wrong when he had; and he did it all without the FIA or Ferrari (or Briatore).
Really? I can't recall the last time they both set a lap in Q3 on the option tyres. Schumacher should beat Rosberg in Suzuka, and I think he'll end the season stronger, whether it'll be enough to overhaul the points deficit I'm not so sure. I'm going to go for them finishing equal on points.
How can a cheat be classed as pure or not? If you cheat at that moment in time, you are a scumbag I agree it is hypocritical because I follow Michael Schumacher but, Ayrton Senna was a scumbag.....he cheated to win World Championsips, Michael did also. Cheats cannot be separated, but these two cheats are the greatest drivers to have ever walked the Earth, now I am sure you will agree with that Cosi. They were ruthless "bastards" but I like that in a driver.
Senna always had a motive behind his cheating though because he himself felt like he was being cheated and he was very open about it. Schumacher on the other hand just cheated to win at any cost and did so on numerous occasions and almost at evey opportunity. They might of both cheated but they were completely different.
nearly all F1 drivers are ruthless - but bastards? No! I also think the 'cheating' is when behaviour goes beyond reasonable. Few do that but Schuey is/was the master. The only way to curb this is for stewards and FIA to penalise or even ban for a race. But they regularly show they are paper tigers. so it continues..
I think Mifune has summed it up rather neatly. [Edit]: I was alluding to the method and motivation. It's a bit like someone committing a crime under mitigating circumstances, not that this excuses breaking the law of course. Nonetheless, these things should be (and are) weighed when making judgements. However, I am not condoning Senna's method, even if I feel that I understand his motivation. Senna may have felt that he was balancing the books in some way, or that he was doing 'God's Will' (or some other aberration of rational thinking); but Schumacher just did it for dirty old statistics. Cheating is never 'right', and can never be 'pure' in that sense. However, I used the word 'purer' (not pure) because I believe there can be differences in the thinking behind it. Ultimately, unlike you, Manny; I cannot admire a cheat; but just as with any group of people one may not like, one can dislike some a lot more than others!
How is that any different? If he felt like he was getting cheated, cheating makes him no better than anyone else. Even makes him lower in my books. Its just because of the name he doesnt get classed as a cheat and Schumacher does, when infact, they both are. This is the exact reason why Senna is massively overrated.
I agree Sam. Murder is murder too isn't it? Or is it sometimes manslaughter? However, as explained in the edit to my previous post, I agree with you in principle that it is always wrong. I am not defending Senna one bit. Like you, Fred; he was never a favourite of mine either! But please see the edit I've mentioned to Sam here.
Cosi I think you shot yourself in the foot, if someone commited murder they would be treated the same as any other murder, because they actually took away a life.. you cannot separate them because of their motives. A cheat is a cheat, I can accept that about Schumacher, you have to accept it about Ayrton because you are fooling yourself otherwise. If you do I can only respect you.... Both great drivers both ruthless. Both champions of the world.
That is wrong actually. Crime of passion or something would be treated differently than a brutal murder. So maybe it is a good analogy then. I do not understand your point about their names.
Back to the present day, Michael will beat Nico, if you have seen his race pace you will notice he is much quicker over a long distance, and if Nico had not cut the corner at the start, maybe Michael would have been ahead and the incident with Perez may have never occured, just back luck-judgment.
