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When is it acceptable to call for change?

Discussion in 'Sunderland' started by Deleted #, Oct 27, 2012.

  1. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    Aye, that just about sums up how I feel, <ok>.
     
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  2. Warmir Pouchov

    Warmir Pouchov Better than JPF

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    I reckon any manager should be given three years. There are circumstances where it has to happen sooner which for me is when a manager plays a style of football which doesn't fit with the club ethos. We had this scenario with Fat Sam. No one really wanted him in the first place and his long ball/percentages ****e just went against the majority of the supporters desire which is for entertaining carpet football regardless of the result.

    I couldn't say what the ethos of Sunderland is, it depends what the fans want. O'Neill was wanted by the vast majority of fans from what I could see, and they must have known his style of football has never been of the entertainment brand. Even at Villa with the likes of Downing/Young etc it was functional football. I have to say though it will be better than it is now when he gets his Stilian Petrov style playmaker. So for me the fans have to stay patient and at the end of next season see if they feel things have improved and heading in the direction they want. He won't get that long in modern football though unless Short has thick skin.
     
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  3. talcnturnip

    talcnturnip Well-Known Member

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    Sums up how most feel just some see criticism of players manager and tactics on here amongst ourselves as the end of the world.
     
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  4. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    NOBODY is beyond reproach, and if they were, Reid would still be manager, as for many of us that was the first time we saw a decent side playing expansive football.

    MON for sure will accept critisism, the fact that he didn't bring his old number 2 with him is maybe something.
     
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  5. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    He did try to bring him in if irc. Robertson didn't want to know & we are all aware of what happened to Clough without Taylor.
     
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  6. Nads

    Nads Well-Known Member

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    Aye, nothing to stop him looking elsewhere though Billy.

    Clearly 2 sets of eyes are sometimes better than 1, and there are plaenty of decent coaches about that he could surely work with.

    We don't need to rock the boat, we do need to give it a wee push on it's way somehow.
     
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  7. Billy Death

    Billy Death Well-Known Member

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    True but what I'm trying to say is that maybe he's lost without his right hand man.

    Oh aye, stop whinging about the cold ya Spanish pansy, <laugh>.
     
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  8. poolie_mackem

    poolie_mackem Well-Known Member

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    agree with this, yes he does have his coaches but maybe we do need an assistant and I think Kevin Ball will be in a couple of years.

    I remember MoN talking about Ball when he was made reserve team coach and he said over the next few years he will be moved up and involved with the first team but first like Steve Bould at Arsenal he has to do it with the academy first.
     
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  9. Nads

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    I'd be lost without my right hand, man ;)

    And no, until I re-acclimatize I reserve the right to whinge like a bitch about it mate! Ha ha.

    We need ideas going forward mate, Bally is my all time idol, I adore the man, but what Bally knows about creative attacking could be written on a fleas nut-sack.
     
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  10. Billy Death

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    Or a midgies pube, lol.
     
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