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When football leaves a bad taste in your mouth

Discussion in 'Tottenham Hotspur' started by John_Pull_Goati_eh, May 20, 2012.

  1. Bodinki

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    Will be a good competition between us next year I think, with Spurs wanting to get in to the CL again, and us wanting to build upon our dissapointing league form. I dont think we can seriously count on winning the CL again to qualify lol
     
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  2. Spurm

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    Great, you've lost Drogba i've just seen. Can't help but think you now need another striker. Torres and Sturridge, both good players, but you'll be in the market for another for sure. Our chances of getting a couple have probably just gone down.

    I hope you bank on winning the CL again tbh :) Realistically i think we are competing with Arsenal for 4th next year (depending on what business both do over the summer). Chelsea will spend big and will be competing again next year i think. I think we missed a couple of tricks over the last 3 years to sort of cement ourselves up there.
     
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  3. chelsea - over 100 years of history

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    Be interesting to see what we do strikers wise. I think Torres, Sturridge and Kalou and/or Lukaku as back up should be good enough as long as we bring in a winger/playmaker or 2. Another busy summer all round.
     
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    Kalou's out of contract, too.
     
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  5. NSIS

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    Their play against Barca, in particular, was unremittingly negative. They created very little of positive nature and scored two freak goals completely against the run of play, in what must have been their only two sortees over the half-way line. Against Bayern, they had one corner in the whole game, and scored from it. Apart from that, their play again was almost totally negative.
    In spite of all that, had either Barca or Bayern taken any of the numerous opportunities they had, their tactics would have failed. They were just spectacularly lucky!
     
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  6. Spurf

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    Ammaar a fair description as usual. <ok>

    BTW you are far too reasonable to be an Arsenal fan do you just like the colour red?
     
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  7. BringBackfootie

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    Go watch the games mate, Barca created 8 clean chances to score that they failed to take, tell me how this is good defending and not luck? Post crossbar, yep, great plan by chesea, missing penos, messi and Robben having shockers, yeah all chavs plan.
    Just for the sake of reality
    Barca should have won the first leg 3 1 but for very poor messi. Barca created 6 chances and scored 2 and got very tired in the second leg as it was just after elclassico and Chelsea had a nice rest, isn;t that how ye all keep sayng is how Liverpool got there in 2005 2007? <doh>, Messi a shadow of himself, your version is the media's version and not based on what actually happened.

    There are many teams that go out and play against a better team.

    Chelsea cannot play total football aganst anyone, not even QPR so how they could approach a thing like that with a manager with no experience is a good question, chelsea have never even remotely played total football ever so.. What they did do was default back to what Jose had created, thats exactly what they did

    Di Matteo had fk all to do with this jammy success, and fair play to the fans for enjoying it, I am not having a go at that, it is when they create threads calld greatest CL win ever after that team brought football to tears, the rules need to change to stop teams doing that.
    200m squad plays on 10 yards of turf for 75 minutes in last 3 biggest games of the season, they won but it was not a great one by any stretch.

    Liverpool played Milan and got spanked but got some luck too but they had a go and made ther luck, chelsea just got plain old lucky that the opponents just failed totally to take chances

    United played Barca twice, yes they lost but you know what, in the end their performance was not the disgrace chelsea's was, any top team can defend like that or better if they totally sacrifice playing football

    Not surprising you are anti barca, all arsenal fans are now because of the final and the last encounter, no shock threr at all.
     
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  8. Spurf

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    You are welcome here, it is always good to have a sensible view from the other side (so to speak). <ok>

    Careful though you may become hooked on us like Luke. <laugh>
     
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  9. totsfan

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    i,ve tried to have a proper football discussion on the Arsenal board,but you can't with the goons,unlike on the chelsea board
     
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  10. totsfan

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    chelsea played well up to a point,but they had unbelieveable luck, Bayen really should have walked it.
     
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  11. Spurm

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    I wouldn't care about the luck either. Hell, I'm still wishing for some luck that gets us up into 3rd for last season. Maybe a reversal of the stoke result because the refereeing was so bad
     
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  12. NSIS

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    Barca found a way through Chelsea's defense on several occasions, but somehow failed to convert numerous opportunities to score. Bayern likewise, spurned numerous chances. It is highly unlikely that that would ever occur again. That is why Chelsea were lucky. Yes, they had a strategy, but it only partially succeeeded, had either of their opponents taken chances you would normally expect them to convert, all of Chelsea's " strategy" would have come to nothing.
    Y
     
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  13. CPofL KTBFFH

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    22 of those 34 shots were blocked...that is good defending and is not luck.
     
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  14. Bloo

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    How were they 'freak goals'?
     
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  15. Spurm

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    i believe the answer to that is in the 2nd half of the sentence
     
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    What you fail to realise is that we didn't need to 'have a go' until there was a point we were going out. In the Nou Camp we went 2-0 down and got a crucial away goal back within 5 minutes. Having gone a goal down in the final, we equalised within 6 minutes. If we were as bad as Liverpool in 05 and found ourselves 3-0 down at half time perhaps we would have had to have gone all out like you did.

    We were tactically aware, disciplined and worked extremely hard. We had some luck but who isn't going to need luck when faced with Barca over 2 legs and Bayern on their own pitch?

    United last year were an embarrassment and any team that goes 3-0 down in a cup final shouldn't be there. It was only as a result of the unprofessionalism of Milan you even got a sniff. Even then you were outplayed for about 100 of the 120 minutes so don't preach on here. You needed a lucky hit n hope from Gerald to even qualify from your group in 05. Luck plays a part in most cup wins somewhere along the line.
     
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  17. Bloo

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    Lost me mate.

    Are you saying a sortie over the half way line that results in banging one into the back of the net is a freak goal?

    To me a freak goal is something like this: ball hoofed into the air, hits a low flying seagull thus diverting it's path towards the ref' and then ricochets off the back of the ref's head into the net - that would be a freak goal.
     
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  18. Spurm

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    If 1 team has 40 attempts at goal and fail to score and then the other team have 1 shot and score then it can be viewed as a freak goal regardless of how skilful or intentional it was.
    If you look at it as an individual play it isn't a freak goal, but in the context of an entire match it might be.
     
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  19. Varier2

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    The thing is, however much people complain, Chelsea won it, and totally deserved it. People think defending takes luck and attack takes skill. Both take skill I'm afraid. Also, it's not lucky the opposing team wastes chances. That's called bad finishing, whether it's due to pressure or nerves. Chelsea were clinical and incisive when they needed to be. Even Petr Cechs penalty saves weren't luck.
     
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  20. Bloo

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    Nope: i don't think that's a freak goal at all.

    Freak - definition of freak by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...
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    Freak. A thing or occurrence that is markedly unusual.

    ***

    Nothing unusual about scoring 1 goal in a regular fashion is ther.

    We score goals most matches so do you - are they all freaks then?
     
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