What's your problem?

you have won a trophy this year with some passionate performances.

you big enough to get rid of Carroll at a loss? or due to that will you stick? he seems like a bad egg to me when it comes to attitude....wil he come good? never ever will he come 35million quids worth good...and that is the noose that hung him.

as for KK...nobody questions his knowledge as so many here have pointed out...but the fact still remains..he cant seem to solve your issues....and i think he has stuck as he knows he cant ask for improvement since he cant be trusted in the transfer market.
 
bazray said:
I know what you are saying. Suarez does not score enough goals to be excempt from critisism. He adds to our problem, by droping too deep, and by not playing the simple ball when it is on. Carroll has problems, but is on rhe bench. The rest look average.. It is hard to be a LFCfan a
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TBH I never rated Carroll, and was very suprised at the sums etc involved with him. Even when NUFC were in the championship I kept thinking 'why the fuss?'.
The answer most likely was because he is English

However I do think that Carroll needs a bit of TLC, an arm around his shoulder. I think his problems off field were well documented at NUFC but they treated him like family and he even shared a house with the skipper if I remember rightly?

I think LFC of old have always had a carroll type of striker, who isnt necessarily there for the goals. I mean look at Heskey and Crouch. Big strong forwards who had the real role of winning the ball and laying it on for the likes of Owen etc

I also think if teh rumours of Kuyt being unsettled are true then your manager is mad frankly. I would have kuyt at UTD anyday and put him up front.
 
Dirtyfrank said:
You do: he's called Park! He seems to have gone the same way as Kuyt. Thought he was great for work & drive.
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Both played wrong IMO. Look wher park plays for Korea?

Kuyt is underrated by you guys IMO, he is the kind of player you need when the chips are down. Look at his goal s recently, out of nowhere


You need your kuyts and parks. They are the ones who allow for the flair players to do what they do
 
thefanwithnoname said:
Both played wrong IMO. Look wher park plays for Korea?

Kuyt is underrated by you guys IMO, he is the kind of player you need when the chips are down. Look at his goal s recently, out of nowhere


You need your kuyts and parks. They are the ones who allow for the flair players to do what they do
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Your completely right.
 
Where do you start?

Luck- people can say what they like but this has been against us most of the season. From hitting the woodwork on many occasions and opposition goalkeepers having blinders. We have hit the woodwork 24 times in the league according to this link;

http://lfcstats.co.uk/20112012woodwork.html

Then there have been key injuries that have affected us badly. Losing Lucas so early is now taking its toll, him and Adam were beginning to look very good together. I also think refereeing decisions come into luck too because no question we have had our fair share of stinkers this season. Even in the last two games there have been four or five decisions that have cost us dearly! Of course all these things have been magnified because of our struggle to score goals, however add the woodwork, ref decisions and keepers playing out of this world up and we have been quite unfortunate really and may have cost us 10-12 points at least.

Poor signings- At least for now some of them have just not been good enough. Enrique-possibly the best of them. Strong defensively and good on the ball, had a couple of dodgy performances, notably one of which was against Valencia who turned him inside out. A little dissappointed with his attacking contribution, I personally don't feel he has got into good enough positions or linked up well enough with Downing.

Adam-Has done ok for me. Criticized by many but never scared to get on the ball and take the initiative! Looked good alongside Lucas and has the most assists in the team. Never gonna emulate the same stats he had at Blackpool where he was the main man at set pieces and the penalty taker. I don't think you can dominate the games we have this season(and some of those against City & Arsenal) if your central midfield is woeful, certainly not when your wide players add very little! Made mistakes but who doesn't and especially those who want the ball all the time.

Hendo - Hailed by many for most of the season. I personally have never seen much to warrant the accolades; as I mentioned around christmas goes missing far too much for me and takes the easy ball too often. He is young though and has been asked too much of this season I believe, far before he is ready. Some say he is playing out of position but I am pretty sure the Sunderland fans were saying the right hand slot is his stronger position.

Carrol - The most frustrating of the signings! Gone from a guy looking out of his depth, to lazy and disinterested and then recently to showing some promise. Still get infuriated with him at times as he fails to get into good enough positions or keep up with play. To me he doesn't look intelligent enough to be a top striker, certainly not intelligent or good enough to be able to read Suarez. Have to wonder though what posessed us to sign him for such a huge fee and then play a system that is counter to his strengths, I have a little sympathy for the lad, although I can't tolerate his laziness.

Downing - The most dissappointing for me! Was great for Villa and has got marginally better as the season has progressed. I expected much more, to have only 2 assists and no league goals is utterly disgusting to be honest. Not sure we play the system that suits him either and certainly we lack the direct goalscorers that he is used to playing with. For his age and experience and the fact he came from Villa who have been around the top 8 for a while its just not good enough.

Dalglish - Fors= Got us playing some great stuff! I have enjoyed this season for the most part, aside from the last few weeks. Dalglish has brought back the feelgood factor and for me I have not felt as much love for the club since I was a kid! All this is because of the King; got rid of all the players who were surplus or not good enough and has introduced some of the younger players. For the most part we have competed well against the top sides and had the better of a lot of those games. Not sure we have ever had so much luck against us in a season before, just as we start scoring we lose Agger to injury and are now conceding too many goals too meaning rather than gaining draws or a narrow win we are losing easily at times.

We also have to factor the loss of some players that may not have been planned, Suarez was seemingly signed to play alongside Torres which would have been sensational. Meireles was arguably the one player who would arrive in the box at just the right time to score, overall his play was nothing special but that side of his game is sorely missing from this Liverpool side. As we know Kenny doesn't want anyone who is not committed and so he had to leave, like Torres seems enforced. Then we can add Aqua to that, I think he would have been unbelievable in this side, probably the bit of class that has been lacking, again though not committed so unlucky again. We could also say that Hendo has played far more because of Gerrards earlier setback, been preesed into action far more than possibly Dalglish anticipated.

The signing of Downing seemed good on paper and I think he has let Kenny down, must be said though that he was seemingly second choice behind Young in preference, I think Young would have been a much better fit for the system. I must admit though I never doubted what Downing could bring.

Against - The signings so far would have to go down as mostly flops or at least semi-flops! As mentioned earlier Downing and Carrol just do not seem to be suited to either the style of play or the team overall. Some of Kenny's decisions have been bafling to say the least, from his procrastinating over substitutions to rotating players at the wrong time. Both Kuyt and Maxi ended last season on fire and along with Suarez seemed to have struck an almost telepathic understanding, both of these players have not played nearly enough. Why keep Maxi and play him so little? Surely we should have got rid if Kenny doesn't think he has much to offer, the kind of player who we have been crying out for this season, gets into all the correct positions and potentially could have scored loads this season, even from the bench.

We now enter the season with little to play for in the league except pride and yet Kenny seems to be either playing those like Kuyt that have been ignored for most of the season and leaving the very players that would benefit the most by playing in games where the pressure is less! Why play Carra who is actually a weak link anyway instead of giving Coates more game time and at the same time allowing Skrtel to continue his progress by taking on more leadership? The only reason not to be playing Carrol I can think is that Dalglish has decided he is not good enough or is trying to motivate him; if he is going to play him next season then he must play him for the remaining games otherwise we risk the same scenario again next season. Hendo has also played less in recent times at the only stage of the season that actually makes sense to play him!

We have been over reliant on one or two players all season; some of it due to the system we play which means the full-backs don't get forward or overlap anywhere near enough. Suarez and Bellamy (when fit) have bore the brunt of responsibility and at times particularly in Suarez case it shows in his demeanour, not sure if the lack of players in the box is a result of Dalglish's directive or players lacking bottle or confidence but it needs to change.

Quality- Quite simply we lack it! Probably could have saved myself typing these thoughts and just said this:laugh: Yes we have had luck against us but again its been magnified by our lack of composure. I support Halifax as well and they have always been crap with no money; even when we played well and better than the opposition we would invariably lose because the other team just had that bit more quality. This season in the FA cup we played Charlton who were flying, we dominated possession and had the better chances. In the end we lost 0-4, they took there chances and had that little extra quality in front of goal. This sums up Liverpool's season perfectly; its the reason sides get relegated and the reason when the bottom sides play well against the like of Man u & City they still lose. We need at least two quality players, one a CM much like Aqua and a quality striker.
 
this is fine, we can all these these things.

carroll is not suprising cos no amount of gametime will fix his attitude nor his inability to see where the danger zone is and get there.
 
Havent posted for a while has been to depressing lately but thought I would give my thoughts.

First of is luck we must be the most unluckiest team at the moment nothing seems to be going for us. Take yesterday hit the post/bar 4 times Kuyts shot over the line (to be fair that one was a very tough one to call but with goalline technology it may have been given) 3 penalty shouts first one depends on ref but most usual outcome is no penalty, Suarez was a definate penalty and the third one I would expect to be given 70% of the time. On the other hand we got a bit of luck the other end as Villa should of had a penalty the other end. But there have been a few decisions that have gone against us all season like last week when cisse was miles offside for the second goal.

This brings me on to my next point most fans could see we needed another striker in January with Suarez suspended and Carrol not living up to expectations. Newcastle purchased Cisse and Blue noses purchased Jelavic both are knocking in goals and both cost under 10million from what I am aware. We could of attempted to Loan someone just to the end of the season just to give us another option as the way I see it we only have one proper striker and thats Carrol. I dont class Suarez as a striker as I see him best as a player who plays in behind the striker. I think we need a striker who can play in front of Suarez that he can link with unfortunately thats not carrol. I have tried to be patient with Carrol but think my patience has run out. I think most people can see he has promise but he isnt gonna to achieve that promise with us I dont think he ever wanted to be here and it shows. I have never seen a striker that doesnt want to get in the box as much as him its like he doesnt want to score nothing like what he was like at Newcastle. We bought him mainly for his heading ability and how many headers has he scored? I know our delivery has been poor most of the season but he has had quite a lot of headed chances and fluffed most.

The next point is the midfield there doesnt seem to be any balance since Lucas got injured. The amount of times I have seen in games the massive space in between our midfield and defence is very worrying. The other thing about our midfield is we have a lot of good players but no outstanding players and I include Gerrard in that as well at the moment sadly I think the injuries have taken there toll on him dont get me wrong I still think he has a few years in him just not to the standard he was 3 or 4 years ago. But he does have the capability for an outstanding game like against Everton a few weeks back. The other problem with the midfield is for some reason none of them get in the box we get the ball into promising positions but there is never anyone in the box. On numerous occassions Carroll or suarez have brought the ball down or knocked it down and there isnt another Liverpool player within 15 yards of them. This is why Suarez tries to dribble around the whole team or look for a free kick as he has no support.

My final thought is on Kenny I am torn on this one he has got us playing some good football in most matches but has no clue tactics wise. He is very similar to Wenger gets them playing football a certain way but has no plan B due to having limited tactical knowledge or just that your brand of football can beat anyone every day. In a perfect world would have a combination of Rafa and Kenny but as we know joint managers dont work and human genetics is a long way away from merging 2 people together. :laugh: So I would possibly give Kenny to Christmas next year to see if he can turn it around. But if he did resign who would we get to replace him?
 
At least we have stopped the run of defeats but the one win in ten is still not good.

I honestly now think that the problems at the club are such that Kenny will leave in the summer. I wont repeat the long list given on this thread as I agree with many of them.

The bottom line is that if we want the club to recover and be top 4 then there is no alternative to spending lots of cash. We would either need to spend to add new quality players to the current squad or replace some of the underperforming stars that we have. This second solution would cost money too as the players we bought at inflated prices (I think we can all agree on that!) would not provide us anywhere near what we paid for them. So whether the owners will be willing to take a massive financial hit on them remains to be see. And it is also unclear whether the owners will be willing to trust Kenny with this expensive restructuring when he has made these big mistakes in the transfer market.

My take on bad luck. All the teams have bad luck. This becomes more noticeable when a team loses. When the ball hits the posts or Xbar or a penalty is not given or wrong offsides are given in a match which is won everyone quickly forgets about them. They take on a greater importance or linger in the memory when we drop points. If Liverpool has gained only 6 points out of 30 (I think) and only Wolves is worst than us we cannot blame it all on bad luck.
 
Yeah bad luck is the easy way out.

It is a factor, but a minor one in the overall context.
 
For me the following has to happen.

Kenny to stay, he is the man for the job, the fact that he is under pressure is down to people believing the rubbish that you read in the media and on here. This is the same as all walks of life. If someone makes a mistake, they loose their job, when it is better to give them a chance to correct the mistake. To claim Kenny is out of his depth is bollox of the worst kind. We are on the verge of making the mistake of the same proportion of man u sacking fergie if he had not won the FA Cup. Hope fully we will win the FA Cup and they can tell that same story about Kenny.

Carra to coach and warm the bench. Coates has to be seen as the first back-up to the centre halfs.

Lucas to return, God we have missed him.

Adam to go, it appears his last season at Blackpool was a fluke, just one of those perfect moments for him. Which is a shame, as I was delighted to get him, but I think now, it must have been a step to far, he needs to be a big fish in a small pond.

Gerrard to stay fit, some of his work against Villa gave me shivers, if he can keep that up from now on, we are a better team.

Sterling to be given another chance, soon.

Carroll... I just don't know, I keep hoping he will come good, and maybe he can. but his movement is not up to standards, and unless he is prepared to die for the cause, I think we need to take the hit and ship him out and buy a replacement.

We need another creative midfielder, a really intelligent player who can see all the options, and then we need players who will run onto those passes.
 
Rubbish you read in the media?

Worst run in 50 odd years? 1 win in 9.

They are facts, whether or not you think he should have more time.
 
At last, somebody who can handle the concept of complexity and multiple factors. It's a mix of things but first you have to make some allowances.

Adjust the woodwork hits to the average expected, not the ridiculously high number. Van Persie hit the woodwork most last season; this season it's Suarez, while RVP can't seem to miss. I think we can agree that if some of those wookword hits were coinverted we'd have more points.

Do the same for outstanding opposition goalkeeping performances. You expect some but adjust for the average and take a few more points. Already things don't look as bad.

Yes. there are still weaknesses and no manager gets every transfer right. Not Fergie, not Kenny, not Rafa and certainly not Mourinho. Some may need time; some may not work out. If Carroll is really spending all his spare time in Newcastle and he's never been happy then we should sell him to Sunderland. Let him learn how to be professional there.

Players also need time to gel and we've replaced more than just a couple, along with the new manager and coach, so getting it all to gel will take time. But Kenny got the form of 2nd/3rd last season so the football works and that is why I have the hope in my heart which had disappeared under Hodgson.

Added to that we've blooded some younger players. Remember when people questioned why Rafa kept playing Lucas? Now you know. What I could never figure out was why some fans kept comparing Lucas at 22 to Alonso at 28. If Lucas is Player of the Year at 24 will he be as good as Alonso at 28?
 
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